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Early this year, 2017, Mandatory BAP was terminated without any public announcement even to Dealers. They innocently continue to warn buyers that BAP is tied to many cars and must be continued.
FALSE ! You will be contacted by MB Financial Services after a purchase and "Offered" to continue BAP, perhaps in a way that may sound mandatory, It Is Not. Just say, "No Thank You." You're done.
Now the battery Myth, You won't find this online but the dealers parts book has the True Cost, $6,304, with a refundable core charge of $3,375.


You may verify this information by calling MB Financial Services, ask for BAP customer help at 1-866-700-9853
 

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No, you will be charged the core fee in addition and it will be refunded when your old battery is delivered back to MB.


Think $6,304, at best price plus R&R of batteries.
 

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I'm afraid that the suggestion of this higher price was strong motivation to the uninitiated EV buyer, and remains today for the same reason as before, If someone thinks they need BAP, MB Financial Services will still sell it to them,
to give them peace of mind !


Today, does anyone think a 17.6 kwh battery should cost $25,000?
Most, are better educated Today then when they first set foot into the EV World !
 

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Very interesting. Just a few months ago the list price of the battery was over $20,000. The list price now shows as $8820 with a core charge of $3375 as you indicate. Wholesale price would be $7056. Dealer cost would be about that $6304 you indicated. Good info - thanks.

Part number of the battery and it is called a remanufactured battery is 789 340 00 03.

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2014 EV Cabriolet 1,900 miles
 

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I found the thread where I looked up the battery part number and pricing from an online site, back in early Feb. I did not list part numbers but someone noted the price of either a new battery or reconditioned battery. New battery seems gone from my link in that thread. I think I recall the new battery option as the more cost effective choice back then.....

Is the BAP really with it?

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh.../forums/showthread.php?p=1455761&share_type=t
 

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I'm afraid that the suggestion of this higher price was strong motivation to the uninitiated EV buyer, and remains today for the same reason as before, If somone thinks they need BAP, MB Financial Services will still sell it to them,
to give them peace of mind !


Today, does anyone think a 17.6 kwh battery should cost $25,000?
Most, are better educated Today then when they first set foot into the EV World !

It wasn’t a suggestion, it ($23k), was the price, back in Feb, for a first use in Jan ‘14 Smart ED. Of course such a car would have still been backed by a warranty most likely 3 years and a month later, (at that time when I checked). That is a huge price drop since!!!

I guess I’m uneducated. (I was trying to buy a fire extinguisher when we were in the Scandinavia area this summer), but had no idea how to get it back home. Seems like the new pricing is quite a bargain, considering if it has to be shipped from Hambach, Germany, or wherever they are made/refurbished.
 

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Thank you,


I meant to post the parts#, but I had a terrifically difficult time posting last night.


This site does some of the strangest things I have ever experienced anywhere else online.


I believe the "reconditioned" battery, is part # 789-340-00-03-80
 

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Any car with BAP previously on it sticks. Anybody declining it is challenging a repossession and collection action. Nobody can physically force you to pay a bill in America, but rumors and falsehoods are apparently as easy as making a public post about anything on your mind.
 

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Early this year, 2017, Mandatory BAP was terminated without any public announcement even to Dealers. They innocently continue to warn buyers that BAP is tied to many cars and must be continued.
"TERMINATED?"

Written M-B FS citation?

Without that, BAP on a lease flip remains a slippery slope...
 

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Perfect ! Both of your responses are necessary to the Closure of the BAP myth.
You are Respected and MB, should have given you written notice of the termination of the mandatory program.
Please call MB Financial Services at 1-866-700-9853 and ask for Ashley.


Together we can today reassure buyers that they are NOT Stuck and they do not have to retain BAP.


Please save your misplaced righteous indignation for MB, who knowingly kept you in the dark, to use your promotion of BAP, insurance sales. They owe all smart Dealers an apology.
 

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I purchased a used 2014 ED last month from my local MB dealer. I'll keep you posted on whether they contact me about BAP. I was very wary of the program going into the purchase, so I was very careful to look out for any paperwork that mentioned it. Nothing in the purchase paperwork about it, and I already got my first MB finance bill for the first car payment and nothing about BAP or an extra $80 was on it anywhere.
 

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You are Safe ! Sleep well my friend,
At some point in the future you will be contacted by MB Financial Services who will inquire about BAP, you will recognize that they are just attempting to sell you the "Insurance" and your response should be, No, Thank You !
You are Not required to either begin or continue BAP.
HONEST !
 

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Oh I know it. Unless I sign something there is no way they could legally force me into the program. If they did I would sue the dealership I bought the car from. They can't sell you a car with a lien on it without you knowing about. BAP is a lien, I don't know any judge in the state of California that wouldn't see it my way.
 

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"TERMINATED?"

Written M-B FS citation?

Without that, BAP on a lease flip remains a slippery slope...
Don't listen to bad advice from some folks here. I still have BAP on my 2016 smart EV and I pay it. Whatever is happening to smart EV's sold at or purchased from Joe Schmoe's Used Car Lot, there may be some confusion there. But if you have BAP, you should continue to pay for it because I guarantee you that it has not been cancelled or eliminated.

BAP does not apply to brand new model year 2017 and future smart EV vehicles. The BAP program was "cancelled" for new models. But nobody signed a contract for BAP on the new models because it doesn't exist.

There is some vicious misinformation in this thread...

For example, some calling BAP "insurance." It is not insurance. It is a battery LEASE. The battery is literally being leased because, when new, it is more expensive than the vehicle. It is on a depreciation scale, which is why some folks are talking about various battery prices now on a 451 EV battery that is a few to upwards of 6 years old. The depreciated value between age, its previously used status, its discontinued status, etc, is why there are varying costs for the prior gen EV batteries.
 

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You have not called MB Financial Services to "Explore" your understanding of the BAP.


You know alot about alot of things but you don't know much about the TERMINATION of BAP, and the longer you resist the phone call and attack the messenger, you dig your hole deeper.
 

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You have not called MB Financial Services to "Explore" your understanding of the BAP.

You know alot about alot of things but you don't know much about the TERMINATION of BAP, and the longer you resist the phone call and attack the messenger, you dig your hole deeper.
Yes, I know what I am talking about. If a customer has the BAP on his/her vehicle, the program is the same. Nothing has changed for those in an existing BAP lease, or those who want to purchase their vehicles at lease end, or even on the used market.

What you are talking about, are vehicles purchased from Joe Schmoe's off-brand lot, and folks playing dumb and pretending they know nothing about a battery agreement because they want to buy the car for cheap and skip out on the BAP program.

What those folks are doing is daring MB to repossess the car or get tied into all kinds of battles over the status of the vehicle that a customer purchased from a little hole in the wall dealership that likely played dumb over their responsibility to either pay the BAP payment until the vehicle was sold, and/or disclose the BAP to the client they sold it to. Some of those vehicles were sold without proper disclosure of BAP and/or enough of the BAP was paid off to the point that it wasn't worth repossessing a vehicle when the cost of it would meet or exceed whatever was left of BAP.

Those folks have lost any and all warranty on that battery. If it fails, it fails completely and there will be no help or battery warranty for those folks. It's a $27k battery, unless you find a good used one and a shop willing to install it. Which will likely be a smart car dealer.

I've already met a couple teary eyed folks who bought a dead duck EV from off-brand dealerships who sold them a car with a battery that went uncharged and wasn't maintained for far too long. One of these folks couldn't get more than 30 miles of range. Another, had a bricked battery pretty much from the beginning and has no recourse because they colluded with the off-brand dealership to buy the car for cheap and skip the BAP protections. Only to find out after 60 days they forfeited their battery warranty.

There are also some off-brand dealerships who have decided to literally break contract laws by not registering the car under the dealership name, and instead decided to pass the paperwork from the original owner to the new customer without registering the title under the dealer's name first. And then the varying laws from state to state only adds to the confusion on where that is ethical, legal, etc,, with how that ties into the BAP contract.

I wouldn't risk all that to save $80 bucks per month for a car that was low cost to begin with. And even still, BAP is still in full effect so let's be careful about passing misinformation as if one size fits all.
 

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I purchased mine used from a Mercedes Benz dealer. They knew nothing about BAP. There is no legal way for them to repossess the car without a lien in place. If MB sold me a car with a pre-existing lien against it, they could very well lose their dealer license. I don't think an MB dealership is going to do that.
 
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