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Hey All,

I do most of my own maintenance and it’s painful to feel charged an hour of labor at a Benz dealer an hour away from me to reset something in my 2008 Passion.

I’d love to be able to tweak and initialize the SAM when I replace a part, or exercise the abs pump for brake bleeding.

For those who are doing their own maintenance, are there any suitable alternatives to the Mercedes C3 or C4 Star diagnostic tools with a computer and associated hardware?

Thanks in advance!

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I am hoping my wife will agree to purchase a PIWIS 3 clone from this company, which lists this for Mercedes, which should also include smart.


*** I haven't bought anything from them yet so please proceed with due diligence if you consider purchasing from them. I am hoping to by Feb 1st because it is the end of their sale plus the end of their New Year's Celebration.

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Does anyone have any experience with the Foxwell NT510?



Or the ICarsoft MB2?


 

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I have an iCarsoft MB v2.0, it can read and clear a lot. I do note however, that it doesn't read live data, which is unfortunate. Still, a nice way to clear and reset various CAN error codes and for the money, hard to complain about. If I had it to do over, I think I would have gone after a bi-directional tool, something to service a broader range of vehicles and something that can read live data. Admittedly, that would cost significantly more than the iCarsoft.
 

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I have a Foxwell NT644 Pro. I think it is still lacking a lot of support. You'll probably want a GT90 for more functionality, but I still have more faith in a good quality clone...

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I ran into a problem with the gas 450s I have in that since they weren't released to North America, and even the MB dealer (in North America) didn't have them in their system. So MB wouldn't touch them at $200 an hour...
A good independent shop that works on European cars might have a MB Star system but they also would have the same software.

Being that two way scanners are $900+, I went out and got a real MB Star system (C4? multiplexer) from the UK for $1200.
It has the 450, 451, 452, and 453 through 2019. Even the BMS module control for you ED/EQ folk :)


There's a lot of high quality specialized cables that come in an authentic multiplexer so those alone are worth hundreds of dollars or more than the cost of a made in china clone.

There is a learning curve for sure - I plan to go to an independent shop that has a 'North American' MB Star system and have them do all the programing I need for the 450s.
 

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Oooh... $1200 is a chunk of cheddar. If I were in a position to spend this much, I would take the plunge and get a profession scan tool with multi car capabilities.

Now that I think about it, I’m looking for a tool that can do things like reset the ABS and traction control lights, cycle the ABS for brake bleeding and reset the ECM when I chance parts. I really don’t want to go back to the dealer for a 2 hour drive and an hour of labor just to connect a machine to recognize a new ABS pump or yaw sensor.

Will the Foxwell or iCarSoft tools do this?

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Oooh... $1200 is a chunk of cheddar. If I were in a position to spend this much, I would take the plunge and get a profession scan tool with multi car capabilities.

Now that I think about it, I’m looking for a tool that can do things like reset the ABS and traction control lights, cycle the ABS for brake bleeding and reset the ECM when I chance parts. I really don’t want to go back to the dealer for a 2 hour drive and an hour of labor just to connect a machine to recognize a new ABS pump or yaw sensor.

Will the Foxwell or iCarSoft tools do this?

Thanks all!
Save your change, any Auto supply store will do that for you free. You don’t need to reset anything, to bleed the brakes, reset the ABS, or any of that. If you have a real software issue. The dealership, has the correct software to update your car. You can buy any cheap code reader to reset codes, after addressing the issue.
 

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Save your change, any Auto supply store will do that for you free. You don’t need to reset anything, to bleed the brakes, reset the ABS, or any of that. If you have a real software issue. The dealership, has the correct software to update your car. You can buy any cheap code reader to reset codes, after addressing the issue.
I have a pretty good code reader/scan tool with ABS, airbag and bi-directional capabilities, but it didn’t have the functions for cycling the ABS pump to bleed the air out after I replaced the pump.

I bought a used abs pump and, per my MB dealer and $200 later, there was a reset procedure to get the ECM to recognize the new pump. I have not tried replacing other parts that communicate with the ECM, but I’m trying to be prepared when the time comes.

This is the reason I was looking for a more capable device. It’s no fun to get gouged at the dealer, then have the inevitable up-sell. Yuck.
 

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*** I haven't bought anything from them yet so please proceed with due diligence if you consider purchasing from them. I am hoping to by Feb 1st because it is the end of their sale plus the end of their New Year's Celebration.
 

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I only paid $1500 for my 13 Brabus, About the same price as the Factory code reader....lol

On that not, if there is anyone in the LA CA area with a Star tool I would love to scan my car and check the steering input sensor alignment. That function is only able to do via STAR tool.
 

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I am pretty sure that the iCarsoft MB v2.0 can do the steering sensor alignment. I was going through the functions and this was one of them. It had me align my steering wheel straight then took some time to do something. Perhaps other owners could chime in on this.
 

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I am pretty sure that the iCarsoft MB v2.0 can do the steering sensor alignment. I was going through the functions and this was one of them. It had me align my steering wheel straight then took some time to do something. Perhaps other owners could chime in on this.
I have an MB v2.0 as well and I've seen the steering sensor alignment in the menu, but haven't used it so can't comment on it's effect. Was there a reason you needed to do it or just exploring hte options? Any discernable effect?
 

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The steering angle sensor works in conjunction with the yaw sensor, sending signals to the electronic stability control. If the combination of signals indicates the car in in danger of overturning, the stability control will automatically apply the brake on the appropriate wheel to prevent the car from flipping. If the steering angle sensor or yaw sensor are out of calibration, the ABS can engage even when doing mild banking, such as expressway on and off ramps. I found this was the case in my 2008. I purchased a star machine clone and was able to recalibrate both, and find my car is considerably more stable now.
 

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*** I haven't bought anything from them yet so please proceed with due diligence if you consider purchasing from them. I am hoping to by Feb 1st because it is the end of their sale plus the end of their New Year's Celebration.
I ended up getting something from them. It wasn't a MB Star, but a PIWIS 3. The SSD bricked but they sent me an upgraded replacement for $110 and now it's back up and running. The PIWIS 3 expedited shipping that was included arrives really fast, like within a week. Getting the Multi-Diag software updated watch out for trojan horses. The included McAfee anti-virus license on the replacement quarantined the two as I was installing, and both firmware updates installed connection mode LAN, both USB and Ethernet connected from Multi-Diag to computer. (It was a challenge figuring out how the VoIP would update but since I did the work to figure it out all of my Benzworld friends can benefit)....


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Does anyone have any experience with the Foxwell NT510?



Or the ICarsoft MB2?


Yes, I bought the Foxwell, and I'm pleased with it. I have a 2012 Passion Coupe and a 2013 Cabriolet and have used the Foxwell on both to clear codes and reset maintenance intervals. It's easy to use and only takes a few minutes to figure out the menus to reset stuff. I researched for a long time before deciding on the Fowell specifically for the Smart, and I'm glad I bought it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XL3HK8W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Good Luck and don't take my word for it, this is only my opinion.🙂
 

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OBDZON is the official Foxwell store. Good idea to buy from them you get very fast response to any issues you may have via a dedicated email address...

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