Sounds about right.2018 January, Motor Trend. Smart 453 ED review.
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Yup, and that review won't generate much showroom traffic - if one of the "surviving" smart Centers happens to be nearby?Sounds about right.
"The biggest drawback is the lack of value. With room for only two people, very little cargo, one of the shortest driving ranges in the industry, and a price similar to larger, longer-range EVs, the Smart ForTwo ED is a hard sell."
Not having been in a 453 ED, is the ride much different between that and the 451 ED? I say that because I don't think the ride in our 451 is bad at all, especially considering the length of the wheelbase. It's roughly on par with our (admittedly 21 year old) BMW 3-series that rides on sport springs and Bilstein HD shocks. It has a firm, damped feel over most road imperfections. Stuff like expansion joints aren't all that different, and hitting a pothole is worse but not significantly so. I guess I'm surprised because what I've heard is that the 453 has a much more compliant, modern suspension feel.
I guess I could add soundproofing ,but if it were truly a quality vehicle (nice try DowneasTTer) I shouldn't have too. Really, closing the doors on a smart car does not invoke thoughts of quality.Makes a BIG difference doesn't it? I recently purchased a 2014 BoConcept Cabrio and much to my surprise the PO had the entire car done with soundproofing. I can't believe the difference it made over my 08 Passion Cabrio. Even shutting the doors or hitting the plastic outside panels you get a much different sound. Like that of a quality vehicle (that the smart really is). The sound level inside with the top up and cruising at highways speeds is more like a hard top now.
The thing is I'm been an owner since 08. Max my original cabrio was in the family for almost 10 years. Even with all the horror stories of owning "first year cars" he never let us down. In fact only needing typical maintenance items like one battery (at 7 years). Oh and he still had all his original light bulbs except a right rear brake light. So I guess we have different options of what a quality car is[/b]
I guess I could add soundproofing ,but if it were truly a quality vehicle (nice try DowneasTTer) I shouldn't have too. Really, closing the doors on a smart car does not invoke thoughts of quality.
It is what it is. A cheap (by European standards) micro car designed for the small, congested streets of Europe.
Yes, the 453 ride is improved but some would say they "domesticated" our most unique smart?I guess I could add soundproofing, but if it were truly a quality vehicle I shouldn't have too. Really, closing the doors on a smart car does not invoke thoughts of quality.
It is what it is. A cheap (by European standards) micro car designed for the small, congested streets of Europe.
Not having been in a 453 ED, is the ride much different between that and the 451 ED? I say that because I don't think the ride in our 451 is bad at all, especially considering the length of the wheelbase. It's roughly on par with our (admittedly 21 year old) BMW 3-series that rides on sport springs and Bilstein HD shocks. It has a firm, damped feel over most road imperfections. Stuff like expansion joints aren't all that different, and hitting a pothole is worse but not significantly so. I guess I'm surprised because what I've heard is that the 453 has a much more compliant, modern suspension feel.
Check out the article 11 Dec in just-auto.com US sales plummet as smart goes electric. Interesting info.2018 January, Motor Trend. Smart 453 ED review.
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Why does Motor Trend (and for that matter, "Consumer Reports") assume we are all plain wonderbread-types living in sprawling generic suburbia - where their offices are no doubt located? Not all of the USA looks like that - and few millennial aged people in the USA want to live in anything that resembles that. Our Smart ED is the perfect car for Pittsburgh streets - and New York, Boston, Philly, and a goodly number of other places in the USA.Sounds about right.
Too small for most Americans, though. The ForTwo’s size makes sense in old, extremely dense European cities, but it doesn’t for wide-open North America. When you factor in the 58 miles of range, the math just doesn’t add up.
The streets of Pittsburgh are incredibly rough, and our Smart ED is solid and rattle-free at 26,000 miles - and I run the tires well above the door-pillar pressures too!Well it sounds as though you are really blessed with fine roads but I’ll bet that isn’t the case for many here. I have driven on some mighty rough roads in both my 451 and 453 but never experienced what you have described.
I'll try to do an audio file of driving over some patched roads here, because That's exactly my experience with both my smarts. Possibly a little worse, due to the fact mine were and are convertibles. I grit teeth when I come across rough or massively patched roadway, the car sounds like it is going to shake apart.Our roads, highways, where I live are paved in gold. We pay enough state taxes. For that luxury. When my daughter was attend college KU, in Lawrence Kansas. We would drive up and visit her. The city has some old brick paved roads. The little 451 smart, sounded like it was going to fall apart. As you drove across them. Doors, dash board, tail gate. Skinny front tires, short wheel base. Panels made of plastic. Just screwed and clipped on. What do expect from a $14k vehicle?
Lots of old brick, and paver block roads. In Europe. Where there are a large abundance of smart cars.
You can buy used low milage, 2016 453. For around $12-13k. Plenty of preowned inventory, on the market. I don’t know if their anymore rattle free, as the 451’s.I'll try to do an audio file of driving over some patched roads here, because, That's exactly my experience with both my smarts. Possibly a little worse, due to the fact mine were and are convertibles. I grit teeth when I come across rough or massively patched roadway, the car sounds like it is going to shake apart.
I wish I would have found one of those "GOLDEN" rattle free smarts.
Back in 2008, 2009 $14,000 was more like $16,000. That was almost 10 years ago already
In fact on eBay just the other day a NEW 453 cabrio was listed by a MB dealer for a starting bid of $15k and no reserve..... guess what not a single bidder.:shrug:You can buy used low milage, 2016 453. For around $12-13k. Plenty of preowned inventory, on the market. I don’t know if their anymore rattle free, as the 451’s.