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If there are any ED drivers interested, there is a National Drive Electric Week in Cincinnati. A friend that drives a Volt invited me to be a participant and I have signed up.

Here is the information if interested:




Day: Saturday, September 14, 2019
Time: 10am to 3pm
Location: Tri-County Mall
11700 Princeton Pike
Cincinnati, OH45246

For a chance to win $250, register to attend or participate and complete a short survey. Must be at least 18 years old to win. Limit one entry per person.

https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=1947
 

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Went to the one in Dayton on Sunday - 1 smart there, a fellow SCoA member. Looked at a lot of cars, talked to some owners and a home charger installer - the bottom line is I'm more confused now than before the event.

Things are going to have to get a lot more straightforward if EVs are ever going to be mass market cars. :shrug:
 

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Went to the one in Dayton on Sunday - 1 smart there, a fellow SCoA member. Looked at a lot of cars, talked to some owners and a home charger installer - the bottom line is I'm more confused now than before the event.

Things are going to have to get a lot more straightforward if EVs are ever going to be mass market cars. :shrug:
Well, that's a bit disappointing to hear. We had a great event in Martinsburg focused primarily on giving rides and answering questions about the various EVs on display. Several folks came up afterward to say how much they appreciated the event, but I guess with so many events organized by volunteers, there is going to be some variation.

Are there some specific things you would suggest for future NDEW events? I can pass info along to the national organizers.

I do agree that L3 charging standards and vehicle capabilities for non-Tesla EVs is a bit of a crap shoot. I've done two NDEW events over the past two weekends (Charleston and Martinsburg) and would have to say that both of those events went pretty well IMO. I will be at a solar festival with EVs this coming Saturday in Greene Co, PA as well.

And, if there are questions you didn't get answered, I'd be happy to chime in with my two cents.
 

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Probably due more to my ignorance than anything, but if the idea is to eventually have EVs adopted by the same people who never check oil levels or tire pressure and only know that when the gas gauge gets low you should fill up, EVs are going to have to get a lot simpler and much more standardized.

I tuned out the home charger guy after the second or third time we went through the "I can't tell you which charger you'll need until you know which car is involved and what charging rate you'll want to use....." There appear to be three charging plug types in use and they are incompatible, of course.

[As far as I know, the gas pump nozzle at all service stations fits every gas powered car sold in America....]

Nissan seems to be in a world of their own, as is Tesla, with the other companies at least using the same charger plug type. The concept of EVs is very attractive, but the hoops people have to jump through will really put most perspective buyers off, IMHO. I'm looking at EVs like I look at a TV or a microwave - don't care how it works or need to have an EE degree to operate it - just get in and go, refuel when and where as needed. :)
 

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I tuned out the home charger guy after the second or third time we went through the "I can't tell you which charger you'll need until you know which car is involved and what charging rate you'll want to use....." There appear to be three charging plug types in use and they are incompatible, of course.

I'm looking at EVs like I look at a TV or a microwave - don't care how it works or need to have an EE degree to operate it - just get in and go, refuel when and where as needed. :)
Spot on John, you'll be fine if you first accept that an EV is simply a major electrical appliance.

Read the spec sheet, find the one that will meet your needs and do the "Electric Slide."

120v/Level 1, 240v/Level 2 or $50,000 480v/Level 3 (DC Fast) charging - SAE J1772 Plug or ??? On board chargers vary in size as designed to compliment the HV battery pack. Add to that, unless you live in a CARB state, the Public Charging infrastructure will be far from robust.

Although I began this journey using the smart OEM Level 1 while leasing after purchase I stepped up to Level 2.

As an EV owner you are both a pioneer and a Beta Tester. Speaking of Beta, the lack of standards makes this similar to the birth of the VCR where we had the Sony Betamax & VHS. Like VCRs, this brave new world may take some time to shake out...
 

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Agreed, it's not as simple as a gas pump yet, but it's not as bad as some folks make it out to be. For most charging you will be using a standard that all EVs support - J1772. You'll charge with that at home overnight and you'll charge with that at places like a hotel or restaurant where you will be sitting for a little while and the relatively slow charging speed won't matter as much. So, that piece is straightforward. Yes, there are variations in how much power different EVSEs can output and what some cars can accept, but generally with 200+ mile EVs, you don't need to worry about it. The only exception being if you are plugging up using a 120V outlet at home, which you just have to realize is very slow, but compatible with anything.

The fast DC charging front, however, is a bit of a mess unless you own a Tesla. I don't mean to keep plugging Tesla, but they did invest early in a dedicated nationwide charging network that "just works", or at least has worked seamlessly in my experience and enables long distance travel without too much thought. You plug in start and destination and the car tells you when and where you need to charge and for how long. We do not have an L3 fast charging standard similar to J1772 yet. I figure the newer CCS Combo 2 will become that standard eventually and Tesla has moved that direction in Europe. And, there is a difference between manufacturers in how much power an EV can accept at L3 and how much the individual chargers will output. So, we aren't there yet for L3.

BUT... L3 charging is generally only a concern when traveling long distance so it depends on how much long distance vs local driving you do. One exception could be those living in apartments/condos or that depend on street parking where a local fast L3 could make a difference.

To add to MB DNA's example, I also liken it to the early days of computing. You had Commodores, Apples, Ataris, PCs, etc., and it was an exciting time watching the industry grow up. If you don't like the idea of participating in that type of maturation, then you wait until Windows becomes the overwhelming majority. Personally, for free (no incremental cost anyway) fuel at home, I'll put up with what I perceive as minor inconveniences that pop up occasionally when traveling, especially if my everyday driving becomes more convenient (charging at home). My two cents! :)
 

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The fast DC charging front, however, is a bit of a mess unless you own a Tesla. I don't mean to keep plugging Tesla, but they did invest early in a dedicated nationwide charging network that "just works", or at least has worked seamlessly in my experience and enables long distance travel without too much thought. You plug in start and destination and the car tells you when and where you need to charge and for how long.
Note that I intentionally didn’t use the “T” word as they truly are in a cla$$ of their own.

As the first EV built new from the tires up, Tesla’s stand alone in a world of ICE based platforms powered by a “modern” design taken from Maytag.

Tesla does offer a robust (albeit proprietary) public charging network NATIONWIDE that for some is FREE, for others there is or may be a charge and then there might be data charges too??

Elon may be a genius BUT sometimes his Tesla seems to be greased with snake oil???

As a participant in multiple NDEW events year over year I chose to pass this year - it’s hardly an “old school” car show. While I find the homebuilts to be of intrigue, don’t need the Tesla dancing to music as the doors/windows operate to the beat.

Dinosaur, out ...
 

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I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but a few comments on the T...

With the Model 3 selling models under $40K, I consider that to be Accord/Camry class, so mainstream. Heck, you can spend about the same on a Leaf or Bolt. I spent close to that on my first gen Leaf. So, the cla$$ distinction is changing. We had some of these base Model 3s at each NDEW event I attended and they are still nice for that price.

I pay for all of my charging when traveling in the Model 3, so no free charging here. Tesla has a proprietary charging connector because they started designing a charging network before there were established standards that could deliver the power needed - curse of being first. They have adopted CCS in Europe and I expect the same to happen here eventually, but it requires retrofitting the chargers which is what they did in Europe to support both Tesla and CCS connections.

There are no data charges for me, even for the included music streaming, but they are starting to charge for live traffic data. And with Netflix and Youtube streaming being added, that will likely require a Wifi connection (while waiting at a store, charging, etc.). The large software updates for the car also require Wifi unless it's a safety thing and then they'll push that over the LTE network.

Musk has his issues and I cringe at some tweets, but for a company that doesn't spend any money on advertising, you can't beat the coverage he generates with millions of Twitter followers and news coverage. I think he's been better behaved of late, but the Silicon Valley ego and swagger is certainly there and bites at times. I wish he would engage brain more before opening mouth and be more level headed, but he is no snake oil salesman and the products that are produced by SpaceX and Tesla are no joke. Every one who has underestimated his companies regrets or will regret that. Even major players, like Volvo recently, are acknowledging that Tesla is "far ahead" when it comes to EV efficiency (range). They just have years more experience under the belt and didn't wait for a supplier to come up with something they could buy off the shelf.

Creating this new rivalry between Porsche and Tesla is also brilliant marketing. Win or lose on the track, people are talking about EVs. And that dancing Model X? I don't care as long as it generates more interest in EVs. It's a halo car that can help sell more Model 3/Ys (or a Leaf or Bolt when people look into EVs), just like a GT-R or Corvette. And, the younger generations care more about the tech and connectivity.

Tesla isn't for everyone (no car, smart, Tesla or otherwise is), but we wouldn't have the other BEV options that we have today without Tesla pushing other manufacturers.

Just remember, not everyone driving a smart was a tree hugging weirdo hypermiling behind a semi and not all Tesla owners are rich aholes, but they may appreciate different aspects of the car than others. The same things that attracted me to the smart are what brought me to Tesla - engineering, efficiency, unique features (interchangeable plastic panels and charging at home from solar), fun to drive, unique in a sea of Camcords, etc.

I'll get off my soapbox now and zip it about Tesla.
 

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I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but a few comments on the T...

With the Model 3 selling models under $40K, I consider that to be Accord/Camry class, so mainstream.

I wish he would engage brain more before opening mouth and be more level headed, but he is no snake oil salesman and the products that are produced by SpaceX and Tesla are no joke.

I'll get off my soapbox now and zip it about Tesla.
No harm in being a Musk/Tesla evangelist as he is a brilliant albeit sometimes pompous man. And yes, he is the MASTER of generating FREE advertising even if it means putting it all on the line!

The saying,“Don't let your mouth write a check that your butt can’t cover” thus far has not been a problem for Elon. His live launches into space AND BOOSTER RETURNS are incredible!!

And yes, seems that some Tesla owners can be “annoying” like the (insert marque here) owners from back in the day.

Don’t read this wrong as I do marvel at the technology they have brought to the consumer, thus far their bubble cars have not caused me to write that check.
 
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