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Hi, here we go with my first thread.

So, I have to choose between two options.

A) Bosch Highline

B) S100

For those who didn't read my introduction topic, I own a Smart Fortwo Passion 0.8 TDI 33 KW (45 CV), which has been released on may 2007.

The car currently mounts a standard Radio 10 that I would like to replace with one of the abovementioned GPS. But there is a problem: the Bosch Highline has been released in 2010 alongside with a dash facelift which modified the "frontal panel" of the car, so I don't know if the Bosch Navi System will fit my 2007 Smart. Suggestions are welcome.

On the other side, I'm considering to buy the other original GPS: the S100. I know this one is supposed to fit perfectly on my car front panel, and I also know that it's a pretty good Navigation System, which has a very complete software.

So my questions for you guys are:

1) Which one I should buy?
2) If I buy the Bosch Highline, will it fit the frontal panel of my car?
3) In the end, which one is the best for my Smart's dash? Considering the model I own ofcourse.
4) Which one has the best software interface? And what about the multimedia features.

If you have any additional informations/suggestions to give (apart from the questions), you are welcome: maybe if I forgot something due to my inxperience!

I hope it wasn't too boring to read. Cheers :D

P.S. - I forgot to say that I will use the Navi mostly for the music, by mounting an SD Card. So I'm particurarly interested to have a good music player interface, in order to choose and change songs easily (for example, sorting the files in the SD Card by Artist/Music Group folders and putting inside these folders the songs belonging to those artists/music groups. In other words, I want to create a list of folders named as artists/music groups, in which i will put the songs). I think this thing can be done if the Navi has an option to read directly the content of the SD Card, without passing through the Music Player. If anyone has one of these Navi Systems, can you verify this thing for me? Thanks! :)
 

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Hi can't help you with the two units you mention though if you google there are a few videos dealing with the need to do firmware updates.

If you had said you were going to use the unit for navigation I would have told you to forget it. OEM GPS units all suffer from the problem and added cost of updating maps or having maps that are expensive and not up to date. I discovered this with the factory navigation system in our Dodge. Nice to have the fancy built in big screen but in terms of accuracy and usefulness not so much. Then factor in the cost of the map updates and it becomes less cost effective.

We use Garmin Nuvi GPS systems with lifetime map and traffic. In the city (Toronto) the traffic feature is actually very useful as the GPS automatically re-routes you when it gets signals via radio about traffic problems along your route. The maps have free lifetime map updates which are done by plugging the unit into your computer and it links to the Garmin server which downloads and updates your maps, and other data. On the Dodge it would have cost me more for a map update then it was to buy the Garmin unit!

Another possible option is the smart bluetooth hands-free kit which plugs into the rear of the radio 10 and gives you bluetooth access to your phone and it's contents. In my case I'm going to install a small Android tablet (the smartab) and use that as my music player since it will take a 64GB micro SD card and allow me to do exactly what you want to do with folders and files. I also have a gooseneck tablet holder though it is going to need a bit of modification to securely hold the tablet but it was free so what the heck.

My smart came with the bluetooth kit already installed. It seemed that this kit was a less expensive alternative to swapping out the head unit. It also functions as a hands free unit for the phone and with my iPhone I was able to dump my phonebook into the unit and this allows me to scroll and make calls from the pod display. Note though that the pod display is microscopic compared to the in dash touch screen so if you are getting older like me this could be a major point of irritation as it is rather hard to see due to size.
 

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+1 for Garmin. I put one of the Chinese double DIN units in our 2011, running iGo Primo navigation and it's light years behind our two Garmin units for navigation. :)
 

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I just installed an ATOTO android radio in my 2011 Fortwo. It came with the paid version of the Torque app to set up a dashboard of gauges from the output of the ODBII connector. It also came with TomTom navigation, but you only get the first 50 miles free and then it charges you. The best free one I've found so far for Android is called "Offline Google Maps". You can download it from the WiFi at your house or bluetoothed through your phone. It's not the best App I'm sure, but it is free and doesn't use any data time from your phone.
The kit that most people use to install a radio in a Smart is from a company called Metra. They have Fortwo kits on Ebay and Amazon, but if I remember correctly the kits were divided, 2008-2010 and then Smart redid the interior so from 2011 to 2015 used a different kit.
I found one listed for a Metra kit from Walmart that is supposed to fit 2007 to 2010.

https://www.amazon.com/METRA-99-8714-Radio-Installation-FORTWO/dp/B00FMSCDD2

Amazon is a safe bet and they ship quickly. DCO
 

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It also came with TomTom navigation, but you only get the first 50 miles free and then it charges you.
So the first 50 miles are FREE and then it asks for your credit card? :eek:

Maybe you have it switched to the smart ED (68 mile range) setting?
 

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I posted a link on another site about Metra. I've used their kits on a number of cars. Makes installation very painless, I also try and get the wiring loom adaptor as well though have not looked into one for a smart.

The official Metra website is here along with links to application matrix, just plug in your year, make and model. If you don't get the full list just wait a second for it to fully load. Below is an example that I punched in for my 2010. I like using the wiring loom adaptors as it saves you from cutting up the stock harness in case you have to reinstall the OEM radio at a later date.

Metra Online | Welcome to Metra Auto Parts Online Warehouse
 

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The Metra adapter for the wiring to the radio caused me some grief because it wasn't totally correct. The illumination on the radio wouldn't dim down when I turned on the parking/headlights. I got to looking and that wire connection was missing on the car side of the connection, so I had to run a separate wire to one of the parking lights for it to sense voltage to dim the display. The battery and accessory wire has to be ran separately, so the Metra kit just basically connects your speaker wires. I connected the radio battery wire to the SAM on a terminal that was "hot all the time". Then I connected the accessory wire to a terminal that was "hot " only when the ignition was on. To able able to play the radio without turning on the ignition, I placed a toggle switch between the radio's battery wire and the accesory wire so that the battery wire that's hot all the time would energize the accesory wire when the toggle switch was in the "on" position. But I found it wouldn't work, because when I flipped the toggle switch on it fired up all the dash lights as though I had turned the key on. DCO
 

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So the first 50 miles are FREE and then it asks for your credit card? :eek:

Maybe you have it switched to the smart ED (68 mile range) setting?
As far as the TomTom Navigation goes, I was looking online to see of TomTom used downloaded maps and need no data connection to work. Tom Tom came preloaded on my new Android radio. Then I read that it worked for the first 50 miles and then you had to pay.Here's the quote from the TomTom app:
FREE MILES
Download TomTom GO Mobile and drive with the app for a fixed number of free miles every month. Upgrade to Unlimited Navigation to drive without miles restriction. Select from a one year or three year subscription, depending on your driving needs.


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tomtom.gplay.navapp&hl=en

So I would presume they want a credit card number and you would purchase it so that when your free miles ran out ( I read 50 on one review) it would continue to work.

I ended up downloading "offline google maps". It's not the best, but it is free and I can download the maps from my WiFi at home and then use it on the road with no connection. There may be others that is better, but just haven't had the time to look further.DCO
 

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Find it easy using the navigation app on my phone - no fees, off line downloads, voice navigation - plus when using the AUX connector I can play music from the phone ( on phone or data connected ) and hear the nav direction prompts.
 

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My smart came with the bluetooth kit already installed. It seemed that this kit was a less expensive alternative to swapping out the head unit. It also functions as a hands free unit for the phone and with my iPhone I was able to dump my phonebook into the unit and this allows me to scroll and make calls from the pod display. Note though that the pod display is microscopic compared to the in dash touch screen so if you are getting older like me this could be a major point of irritation as it is rather hard to see due to size.[/QUOTE]

I have never seen the bluetooth option up close before. I think it is so neat. I guess it uses the clock pod? Is it a small round screen in there? I'd love to hear more about it. Thanks. DCO
 

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I have never seen the bluetooth option up close before. I think it is so neat. I guess it uses the clock pod? Is it a small round screen in there? I'd love to hear more about it. Thanks. DCO
Yes it uses the clock pod and wires into the plugs on the rear of the radio 10. Basically you replace the clock in the pod with the little screen for the unit. There is a head unit that mounts in the dash (guessing as I have not looked underneath yet) that is the cpu for the unit. It also comes with a wired microphone for your handsfree cell option. Mine was mounted up by the dome light. The final piece is a small battery powered control unit that looks like R2D2 or a Dr Who escapee and that can be mounted anywhere. Mine was stuck to the dash just on the lip of the cubby hole on the right side of the steering column.

That controls the unit, tap the top and it switches the display from digital clock to the main menu. Spinning the top selects the functions from music loaded on the phone to hands free, then tap to select and that brings up sub menus. You can link multiple bluetooth devices to it so once it gets warmer I'm going to mount that small Android tablet and use that as my music/mp3/video device. Not sure what the mail function is about as I haven't played with that yet.

When playing back music I noticed I had to adjust the phone's volume first to get best results. The linked phone book feature is interesting as it lets you scroll through your contacts on the screen and it seemed as if it dumped the data off my phone into the unit.

One thing I have problems with is the tiny screen size and it's distance from the drivers seat. Granted my eye sight is at that stage where my arms are not long enough for reading the paper.....

Also with the backlight dialled up fully I find it a bit hard to see in full sun but what the heck it was part of the package. Not sure how hard these are to find, only seen one other installed in a used smart so far.
 
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