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Theoretically... if a new gasoline-powered smart 453 coupe w/ DCT were available, never registered or titled, how much would it be worth in your opinions, taking into account no more gas smarts are being imported to the US? Not talking about leases.

$ X,XXX over original MSRP?
Equal to Original MSRP?
$ X,XXX less than original MSRP?
 

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Hard to make a comparison to an auction/ trade-in value when a new car would have no history or wear & tear like a trade would. Cars lose value when registered and driven off the lot. Trade/auction values are misleading since so few dealers know anything about smart.

If a smart ICE hadn't been registered/titled and was new, what would it retail for today to a customer if there were no MSRP to reference? What would you pay for a new gas smart if you had the chance?
Put another way, what would have been a "fair" price to pay for a new 453 ICE when they were available? Forget what the MSRP/incentive pricing that smartUSA developed for the cars- at what price would/could smart have sold more ICE 453? Take a middle of the road, automatic passion for example.
 

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Hard to say. The original 451 pure was under $12K in 2008, and my 2011 passion listed for $17K - much more than that is probably more than the market today would bear, considering the competition in the $19-20K range. Just a guess since I'm not in the car business. A real smart enthusiast might be willing to pay sticker price, though..... :)
 

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$ X,XXX less than original MSRP!

BUT, what MY new 453 ICE coupe (Pure or ?) are we theorizing? Pre or post U.S. standard BU camera?

Cars (smart ICE) also lose value when orphaned!
 

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For the sake of argument, say a 2017 453 ICE coupe DCT passion without rear camera. If not worth original MSRP, how much more or less than the MSRP would you pay today for one that was never titled? Will there be a collector's market for the smart in the future? Will the used 453 ICE models find a steady market and hold their value at a certain price point for years to come? If so, where ($8k? 10K? 12k? 14k?) Or will they see drastic drops in value continue until absolutely worthless?

Having sold in such small numbers in the US, I'm curious what enthusiasts think the future value will be for used smarts and a hypothetical new, never titled smart ICE DCT that somebody may or may not be holding onto...
 

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In my opinion, I don't think the smart will be a collector's car for the long, foreseeable future. I mean, maybe in 50 years, but is it worth it to keep one in pristine condition for that long? I think it's also kind of instructional to look at how similar cars have fared. Like maybe the Scion IQ. That car stopped production a few years back and at least in this area, there is no hint of collectability. Prices seem fairly decent for used models, probably because they share ease of parking with smarts but have an infinitely better dealer network. And even the Aston Martin Cygnet version doesn't seem to be that much in demand. So IMO any price at or above MSRP because of the car's collectability is going to appeal to very, very few people.

So that leaves people for whom a smart works because of its size, and in need of more range than the EQ version provides. But that market has already been seemingly saturated when the ICE model was on sale, and now this new ICE is competing against all of the used ICE vehicles that have come on the market. So compared to a low mileage, excellent example, this new ICE primarily is better due to longer factory warranty coverage. So, my opinion is that this may be worth what the most pristine example of a low mileage 2017 ICE is, plus $1-2k.
 

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Without factory incentives spurring artificially low interest rates and lease offers, I'd expect fetching between $10k on the base side to about $17k on the loaded side for coupes. Probably $16k to $19k for cabriolets.
 

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I doubt common smarts will ever be a true collector car, and I'm someone who basically intends on opening a museum of them one day. Even "desirable" models like a Canadian 450 cdi only command twice whatever their value would be in Canada. A $3k CAD cdi only becomes $6k once it crosses the border and that's not even because of the rarity of a cdi in the US.

The only smarts appreciating in value are extremely low mile factory stock crossblades and one day we may see the rarer roadsters/Brabus builds follow suit. I have no doubt that the only people in the US who would be willing to pay more than sticker for a "brand new" 2017 30 years from now would be crazy like me.
 

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The only smarts appreciating in value are extremely low mile factory stock crossblades and one day we may see the rarer roadsters/Brabus builds follow suit.
AND the handful of 451 "Tailor Made" by Brabus - some were smartUSA show cars and others, "special" builds.

Yes, shoulda - coulda bought that beautiful preowned Tailor Made! :bangwall:
 

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wishing gasoline version in America

I'm one of these Smrt Fortwo fans who wish the gasoline engine version will become available in America again.
Is there any chance that may happen in the future?
 

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I don’t hold out much hope for their return either. Personally, I think they pulled the plug too soon on the gas 453 distribution in the U.S. I think the market would have increased a bit over the next couple years. Look at all the folks just getting into smarts buying used 451s who might have moved on to a 453. They werent going to change the design or engine of the gas 453 between it being dropped in the U.S. and it’s final production. It was already approved for pollution and safety so why not just continue importing it until the gas version is dropped world-wide? I know, dead horse subject.
 

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Yeah I jumped in a 2008 Cabrio and went through a great deal of restoration to make it look and run better then new and I know in a few more years I’d probably be looking at brand new 453 ICE if they would have them on the market there actually wonderful little cars as a single guy it was just supposed to be a weekend toy but ended up putting a nice radio and cruise control and now it’s my daily driver after I found out it can hold a whole buggy of groceries in the back
 

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While we are dreaming, how about a diesel 453 fortwo in the states (one that can be flat towed of course)? I'm glad I got one of the last ICE cabrio 453s to pull behind our motorhome although I do worry about parts, etc. as the car ages...
 

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Ohhhh a diesel 453 I would be at the dealership throwing my money at them for that. I had a 02 beetle TDI and those little Diesel engines go forever and the gas mileage is crazy I drive from sw Louisiana to Birmingham Alabama on one tank nonstop I can imagine what a diesel smart would do.
 
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