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They were wearing Vancouver Canucks jerseys. I thought Canadians were better than that - more like something I used to see in Kentucky after the "Cats" would win the NCAA basketball tournament.

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I have downloaded over 800 videos on Smart car stuff and well over 3,000 pics. Just something I do occasionally in my limited spare time. But it amazes me how many people seem to compile videos of accidents with a Smart car. They just feel such a need to prove how unsafe our cars really are? Some if these accidents in this compiled video are stand alone videos on You Tube. It is very sad for us in our Smart car community to see this. Public perception seems to be our cars are dangerous or they are underpowered or the transmission is junk. I rarely see a video talking against a Toyota IQ or a video complaining that the Volkswagon Beetle was slow and underpowered. There are several well known brands of foreign cars that use a Getrag transmission similar to the Fortwo, but you never hear bad press on that. It seems the Fortwo was shot in the foot before it ever got a fair shake here in the US. You never see videos like the following one that exalts the life saving safety features of the Fortwo. It is such a shame because the Fortwo is a great little cars on many fronts. DCO


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What other cars use the similar tranny?
All these other applications and only smart got bad press???
From Wikipedia . . .

217 — 6-speed
Alfa Romeo Giulia, BMW 1 Series, BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series, BMW Z4
220 — 5-speed
BMW 1 Series
221 — 5-speed
Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS
226 — 6-speed
226 AMT — 6-speed automated manual
232 — 4-speed
1968-1972 BMW 2002
233 — 6-speed
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34)
235 — 5-speed
1975 Jensen-Healey, 1976 Jensen GT
238 — 6-speed
Dodge Ram, Dodge Dakota
240 — 5-speed
1983 BMW E21, Opel Manta, Opel Rekord, various other Opels
1984-1991 BMW E30 (318i,318is)
242 — 4-speed
1972-1975 BMW 2002, 1977-1979 BMW E21
245 - 5-speed
1980-1982 BMW E21
247 AMT — 7-speed sequential manual
2005-BMW M5, BMW M6
250 — 5-speed
1992-1999 BMW E36 for engines up to 2.5L
1992-1995 BMW E34 M50
260 — 5-speed
1984-1991 BMW E30 M20
1988-1991 BMW E34 M20 M30
1996-2004 Holden Commodore(VS, VT, VX, VY) for the ECOTEC
2002-2005 Cadillac CTS
265 — 5-speed
Jaguar XJS
Opel Monza
Opel Senator A
1986-1992 BMW M3
1987-1990 BMW 320is[7]
275 — 5-speed
Mercedes 240D, 300GD, 280GE, 280
275 Z — "dogleg" 5-speed
Mercedes-Benz 190e 2.3-16, 2.5-16 (incl. evolution models) (717.404), C124 AMG 3.4 CE, R129 300SL (717.450)
280 — 5-speed
1985-1988 BMW M5 (E28), 1989-1994 BMW M5 (E34)
290 — 5-speed
1990-1994 Jaguar XJS
1995-1997 Jaguar XJR
1996-1999 Holden Commodore(VS, VT) for the 5 litre V8
420G — 6-speed
1995 BMW E34 M5, 1993-1996 BMW E34 540i, BMW E38 740i/iL, BMW 840i/Ci, 1996-2003 BMW E39 M5, BMW E39 540i, BMW M3 (E46), BMW Z8
560G — 6-speed
BMW E31 850i, 850Ci, and 850CSi
7DCI600 - 7-speed dual clutch[8]
2008- BMW M3
2008- BMW 3 Series 335i Coupé / Convertible
2008- BMW Z4 sDrive35i
2010- BMW E87 1 Series 135i
2011- BMW M5
2012- BMW M6
2014- BMW M4
2016- BMW M2
Transverse orientation
252 — 5-speed
MINI One, MINI Cooper
281 — 5-speed
Fiat Stilo, Fiat Croma, Fiat Idea, Lancia Musa
282 — 5-speed
Buick Skyhawk, Chevrolet Cavalier, Chevrolet Beretta, Chevrolet Celebrity, Oldsmobile Achieva, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais, Pontiac 6000, Pontiac Fiero, Pontiac Sunbird, Pontiac Grand Am
283 — 5-speed
Land Rover Freelander, Rover 75
284 — 5-speed
Chevrolet Lumina, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix, Chrysler TC by Maserati (16v only), Chrysler Seled Mexico (Lotus 16v DOHC head)
285 — 6-speed
Ford Focus ST170/SVT, MINI Cooper S
F20 — 5-speed
Chevrolet Vectra, Chevrolet Astra, Chevrolet Cobalt, Chevrolet HHR, Saturn Vue, Saturn Ion, Opel Corsa, Opel Meriva, Opel Combo, Opel Astra, Opel Vectra, Vauxhall Corsa, Vauxhall Meriva, Vauxhall Astra, Vauxhall Vectra, plus various other GM cars
F23 — 5-speed
Chevrolet Vectra, Chevrolet Astra, Chevrolet Cobalt, Chevrolet HHR, Saturn Vue, Saturn Ion, Opel Corsa, Opel Meriva, Opel Combo, Opel Astra, Opel Vectra, Vauxhall Corsa, Vauxhall Meriva, Vauxhall Astra, Vauxhall Vectra
F28/6 — 6-speed (with optional four-wheel drive)
Opel Calibra Turbo, Vauxhall Calibra Turbo, Vauxhall Cavalier Turbo
288 — 5-speed
Chrysler PT Cruiser, Mercedes-Benz Vito W638
431 AMT — 6-speed semi-automatic
Smart Fortwo, Smart roadster
452 — 5-speed
Smart Forfour, Mitsubishi Colt
452 AMT — 6-speed semi-automatic
Smart Forfour, Mitsubishi Colt
453 — 5-speed
Smart Forfour, Mitsubishi Colt
453 AMT — 6-speed semi-automatic
Smart Forfour, Mitsubishi Colt
??? - 6-speed
Noble M12
555 — 5-speed
Dodge Daytona Turbo II, Chrysler GS Turbo II
6DCT470 — 6-speed dual clutch
Mitsubishi Lancer, Mitsubishi Outlander,[9] Peugeot 4007, Citroën C-Crosser
6DCT450 — 6-speed dual clutch (also known as Ford PowerShift transmission)
Dodge Journey, Chrysler Sebring, Dodge Avenger, Volvo C30, Volvo S40/V50, Volvo C70, Volvo V70, Volvo S80, Volvo S60/V60, Ford Focus, Ford C-Max, Ford S-Max, Ford Galaxy, Ford Mondeo, Ford Kuga
6DCT250[10][11] — 6-speed dual dry clutch
Ford Fiesta, Ford EcoSport, Ford Focus, Renault Megane, Renault Scenic, 2015- Smart Fortwo, 2015- Smart Forfour, 2015- Renault Twingo
6DCT150 — 6-speed dual clutch for low torque applications
6DCT200 — 6-speed dual wet clutch
6HDT200 — 6-speed dual clutch for hybrid applications
7DCT300 — 7-speed dual wet clutch - Renault EDC and Mini/BMW Steptronic Doppelkupplung since MY2018 in FWD applications
7HDT300 — 7-speed dual wet clutch for hybrid applications
7DCT500 — 7-speed dual wet clutch - Renault EDC
901 — 4 and 5-speed
Porsche 911 (1964-1968)
902 — 4 and 5-speed
Porsche 912 (1965-1969)
923 — 5-speed
Porsche 912E (1976)
016 — 5-speed
Porsche 924 (1977-1980)
G31 — 5-speed
Porsche 924 GTS
G50 — 5-speed
Porsche 911 (1987-1989)
G50 — 5-speed
Porsche 911 (1987-1989) (G50/00-G50/02)
Porsche 911 Turbo (1989 type 930) (G50/50)
Porsche 964 Carrera 2 (1990-1994) (G50/03-04)
Porsche 964 Carrera 2 RS America (1992-1994) (G50/05)
Porsche 964 Carrera 2 RS (1993) (G50/10)
Porsche 964 Turbo (1991-1994 type 965) (G50/52)
G64 — 5-speed
Porsche 964 Carrera 4 (1989-1994) (G64/00-02)
G40/50 — 6-speed
Porsche 968
440 — 5-speed all-wheel drive
1990-1993 Mitsubishi GTO twin turbo (3000GT VR-4 in some export markets), Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo - This transaxle carries the Mitsubishi designation W5MG1
446 — 6-speed all-wheel drive
1993-2000 Mitsubishi GTO twin turbo (3000GT VR-4 in some export markets), Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo - This transaxle carries the Mitsubishi designation W6MG1
448 — 6-speed
Porsche 911 Turbo, GT3, and Porsche (GT3) Carrera Cup vehicles
466 — 6-speed
Audi A4, Audi A6, Porsche Boxster, Porsche Cayman, Škoda Superb
466 four-wheel drive — 6-speed
Audi A4, Audi S4, Audi RS4, Audi A6
7DCL750 - 7-speed dual clutch
Mercedes SLS AMG
Mercedes-AMG GT
Ferrari California
Ferrari 458 Italia
Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
Ferrari FF - with all-wheel drive
Ford GT - 2nd Generation (3.5L TT)

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Some of those models have taken as much flak as smart got for the 450 and 451 transmissions. Only ones that stand out right now are BMW's SMG transmissions that I still hear "enthusiasts" cry about today. I also know the the single clutch auto-manual in the Maserati GranTurismo also gets complaints for slow shifting.

Honestly, I think a lot of it comes from smart having essentially become a "meme" over a decade ago with a lot of it because programming like Fifth Gear and Top Gear making fun of it.

The PT Cruiser and the Prius are also cars with a "meme" status and a negative reputation they don't deserve....I feel bad whenever I see a Prius get coal rolled or run off the road as I know how it feels to drive a car hated so much that people react with violence.

Some people really abuse their Smart car. This video really surprised me. These guys I guess need to get ahold of a Hayabusa. As stupid as they are they would wreck for sure. DCO
They won't. The Hoonigans are an annoying example of some of what can go wrong with car culture in my generation. They do dumb things "just for the lulz". A 'Busa swap is way too logical.
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Well. I am gonna guess that there is some out there that are targeting vehicles as a means of swaying opinion so that it will affect sales. Someone is trying to make sure they make money and will do whatever it takes to hurt the competition. It's not likely that they are only targeting the smart. We just might be more sensitive to it.
I support my Smart ED. I am honest and tell people it's not for most as a main vehicle but as a secondary errand running or if you live close to work vehicle; it's been excellent. I still don't pay for a charge as chargepoint still offers it for free in my area. Have no fuel cost, no emissions nor motor oil changes to deal with so that's a savings in repairs.
Everyone uses their vehicles differently. Like I don't generally take mine on the highway. When I'm in mine, I want to take the scenic route. I get thumbs ups and shout outs all the time from people when they see the electric chrome text on the sides. Anyone can make something work for them if they think and plan with it in mind.
But just like politics, when it comes to making money, someones out there to make a buck off bad publicity.

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The Ford F-150 is one of the best selling things in America for decades while the fortwo has been selling slow since mid-2009. So there's definitely not some mob-style hurting the competition when a lifted truck runs me off the road.

My poor little 451's taken a bullet, maybe a dozen paintballs, a couple eggs, a key or two, a car bumper or a few, boogers, and even a can of soup thrown from a truck. Heck, I've even had a dude on a Harley brake check me for no reason. As a motorcyclist, that's one of the dumbest things you can do on two wheels. But I digress.

The amount of love the car gets is more than the hate. :) ...But, boy when people hate these cars, they go ALL OUT.
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