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Thanks for highlighting this. Anyone heard any more about it? It might create good competition with the Europeans regarding spare parts.
The smart that will be built in China from 2022 onward will be nothing like the previous versions, so I doubt there will be any parts commonality. :)
 

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The smart that will be built in China from 2022 onward will be nothing like the previous versions, so I doubt there will be any parts commonality. :)
That is not the most helpful news that we could have heard...
Will they be supplying parts for the existing cars; or are we left with whatever has already been built?
 

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That is not the most helpful news that we could have heard...
Will they be supplying parts for the existing cars; or are we left with whatever has already been built?
That's a good question and only Daimler/Geely know the answer. Mercedes "should" have sufficient spares for the 451/453...... Geely in China has no connection to the earlier smart models, so no obligation to supply spare parts for them either. :)
 

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That's a good question and only Daimler/Geely know the answer. Mercedes "should" have sufficient spares for the 451/453...... Geely in China has no connection to the earlier smart models, so no obligation to supply spare parts for them either. :)
Knowing how Mercedes has changed the last several years (so has Daimler) I'm not sure that the smart division of Daimler has a plan for stuff like that.

The 450 stocks are no longer required.
I'm sending a note soon to Daimler to get a build ticket for the vehicle, since my requests for assistance in this vein hasn't gotten anywhere on the forum. Maybe the guys at the Classics Center can help; if not, smart HQ may help.
 

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I'm sure there will be adequate parts supply for the foreseeable future, but ultimately the little Smart will go the way of vintage cars... parts from used cars. Fortunately, that's a while from now.
 

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Availability of vehicle software, will be the only main issue. With these cars. That goes for any modern car of today.
 

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The title of that video "Why The Smart Car Failed In The US" does not address another material issue: false/fake information to kill the car from auto publications and reviews thereof, imo, not to mention bad advertising by Mercedes Benz making the car appear to be a 30 mph, light-duty city car. I drive the car for a large retail company as a contractor every day down Turnpikes and it has NO trouble smoothly cruising 80 all day if it has too when traffic is going that fast. Every day. Benz should have promoted the car truthfully that it can do anything and be anything to whatever you want the car to do other than tow and have more than 2 people rather than a dinky little car to go around the city (that it does well also)

I have always thought the transmission criticism was exaggerated. It's actually a genius design (though changed in 2016) I have 2 Smart Car Pures and one I has 103 thousand miles I put 80K on and I have never had a problem with the transmission or be dismayed by it if you know how to drive the car and let up with your foot. Perhaps heavy-footed sport drivers would have a problem. It works perfectly for 'transportation' drivers, imo. In one review by a publication I read, "it jumped by wind in the other lane like a tire blew out!!!" Nonsense! Another lie. Also listing the Smart as Consumer Reports 10 worst cars is an exaggeration. The auto media killed the car in the US with exaggerated false information starting with the huge sales numbers of 2008. The auto media killed this car in the US by lies and exaggerations, imo.

I see customers every day and before I had a Smart drove into a driveway with the wife leaving in the Smart while there was a new Corvette in the driveway. I laughed about this going into the house but the husband said. "She loves that car and does not drive the Vet." Then he put his finger up in the air and said pointing, "thats one of the best cars I ever bought and would buy another one in TEN SECONDS!!!" (he had 120,000 miles on the car) I heard this all the time contrary to the 'press' why I bought one. The wear and tear has been ridiculously low also with tire and brake wear. The Smart could have gone big in the US. Closest thing with the rear engine to the air cooled Beetle. They (corrupt auto press with lies) went after it and unfortunately it worked not to mention as I said the bad advertising by Mercedes, imo. VW years ago had genus advertising. "Think Small" snow tracks in picture ads at post office where a mailman drove away in a Beetle with "how does the mail get to you during a snowstorm" (paraphrased) They did not limit in advertising the Beetle to a dinky city car. The Beetle could do everything and......it did.

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I kind of think that the EPA fuel mileage estimates were a bit of a downer.
I don't know how aggressive I'd have to drive; in order to only get 34 mpg... But it would certainly have to be way beyond my meager comfort zone...
These little bugs just had too much bad press, and too few enthusiastic cheerleaders...
 

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I still think the lack of proper and consistent advertising had a lot to do with failure. Even Wal Mart advertises on all forms of media and it seems to work for them.
 

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As much as I'd love to blame the media, Americans just don't like very small cars. Sure, the press wasn't kind, but favorable coverage wouldn't have caused a sea change of opinion. SUV's and crossovers rule the roost. People might think the Smart is cute and fun, but that doesn't mean they'd buy one. Some are overly concerned about safety (it's a death trap!) while others don't think it's practical enough (where am I gonna put all my stuff??) That's a shame because it is a fun little beast. And you're right, PureGuy, the thing cruises quite well at 80mph. I'm glad to hear the transmission is reliable too as I get on the throttle fairly regularly. It's funny, the mailman remarked the other day that he thought my Smart was the coolest thing. I told him Smart is leaving the North American market, so if he wants one, find the best deal he can. Just think, they'll be collectible cars one day!
 

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It's funny, the mailman remarked the other day that he thought my Smart was the coolest thing. I told him Smart is leaving the North American market, so if he wants one, find the best deal he can.
Tell that mailman I got a few partly because they are the only cars that turn sharper than a mail truck (LLV).



And in 3 years you'll be able to get a RHD one from the UK when the 450s reach 25 years old ;)
 

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Nice! Holds quite a bit!
Tell that mailman I got a few partly because they are the only cars that turn sharper than a mail truck (LLV).



And in 3 years you'll be able to get a RHD one from the UK when the 450s reach 25 years old ;)
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As much as I'd love to blame the media, Americans just don't like very small cars. Sure, the press wasn't kind, but favorable coverage wouldn't have caused a sea change of opinion. SUV's and crossovers rule the roost. People might think the Smart is cute and fun, but that doesn't mean they'd buy one. Some are overly concerned about safety (it's a death trap!) while others don't think it's practical enough (where am I gonna put all my stuff??) That's a shame because it is a fun little beast. And you're right, PureGuy, the thing cruises quite well at 80mph. I'm glad to hear the transmission is reliable too as I get on the throttle fairly regularly. It's funny, the mailman remarked the other day that he thought my Smart was the coolest thing. I told him Smart is leaving the North American market, so if he wants one, find the best deal he can. Just think, they'll be collectible cars one day!
It's all about the geography. Look at the size of this Country. Driving across just one State could be just about the same as crossing several Countries in Europe.
You wouldn't necessarily want to cross the U.S.A. in a car designed for "two people, and a case of beer".
 

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I kind of think that the EPA fuel mileage estimates were a bit of a downer.
I don't know how aggressive I'd have to drive; in order to only get 34 mpg... But it would certainly have to be way beyond my meager comfort zone...
These little bugs just had too much bad press, and too few enthusiastic cheerleaders...
I wrote the Chrysler training for the EPA Mass Test, used by the Big Three, the procedure that the drivers followed when on the dynamometer, as measurements were made, even going so far as to collect sample bags of emissions to be analyzed by a third party. The tests were consistent and I can only guess that the fact of using premium fuel and the "adjustments" made to compensate for not using regular fuel may have something to do with it. Or the vehicle was being penalized by their horsepower to weight ratio calculations.

Bear in mind that the EPA's so called test is not a true simple test of fuel economy but includes calculations and other factors that are not strictly-speaking, related to fuel economy.

Which is why all the US advertising always includes the caveat "Your mileage may vary."
 

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It's all about the geography. Look at the size of this Country. Driving across just one State could be just about the same as crossing several Countries in Europe.
You wouldn't necessarily want to cross the U.S.A. in a car designed for "two people, and a case of beer".
That's definitely part of the equation. We've got wide open spaces. Heading out on the highway to visit family and friends is a regular thing. Taking the Smart wouldn't be the first choice. Although I must admit, my wife and I toured the Southwest in the Smart and it performed just fine. I still can't believe it can track such a straight line at high speed with that short wheelbase. The only drawback would be noise. Combined with the noisy Continentals and low chassis insulation, rough pavement could deliver an uncomfortable drone. I'm looking forward to replacing them when some Yokohamas with the time comes.
 

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Knowing how Mercedes has changed the last several years (so has Daimler) I'm not sure that the smart division of Daimler has a plan for stuff like that.

The 450 stocks are no longer required.
I'm sending a note soon to Daimler to get a build ticket for the vehicle, since my requests for assistance in this vein hasn't gotten anywhere on the forum. Maybe the guys at the Classics Center can help; if not, smart HQ may help.
Merecedes are one of the best manufacturers for parts supply, going far in excess of the legal requirements in European countries. If you're filthy rich and a bit daft, Mercedesd can still sell you most of the parts necessary to build a Pagoda SL from the 60s, including body panels and trim parts. It ain't cheap though.

Things may be different your side of the pond. The average US motorist thinks our tiny cars are a joke, and the importer took a woefully poor level of interest in the Smart product, so your parts supply situation going forward may be different. Over here though, provided you're willing to pay we'll be able to get new parts for the next half century at least, and used parts supply is massive.

I have as a favour sent parts to Canada for a smart owner, and it didn't work out prohibitively expensive. Perhaps I should start a sideline in supplying Smart parts to US owners?
 
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