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Charger delivered by FedEx and owner installed? :eek:

Not the kind of FREE advertising that smart ED needs . . .

"WBBH reports the homeowner as saying the fire was possibly started by a data recharger delivered through FedEx which was plugged into the car."
 

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Ummmm... being that the charger is 220V, I'm assuming that it would need to be hard-wired to the house's electrical panel, requiring a permit and county inspection, right?
 

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But if the charger is 220v and he already had a 220v outlet, for the washer and dryer, for instance, why should he apply for a city permit?

Should people start applying for a city permit to take a shower, because there is a risk they may slip?

;-p

How does getting a permit even have anything to do with safety, BTW?
 

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But if the charger is 220v and he already had a 220v outlet, for the washer and dryer, for instance, why should he apply for a city permit?

Should people start applying for a city permit to take a shower, because there is a risk they may slip?

;-p

How does getting a permit even have anything to do with safety, BTW?
Wow... seriously??? Running a 220 line from a breaker box is a little bit more involved than "plugging in a washer and dryer". Do you know what wire type and gauge to use? Do you know what type of armor the cabling requires when mounted exposed in a garage? Do you know the capacity of your electrical box and whether it can handle the added amperage of a 220V charger?

Getting a permit ensures that you do the work properly, that it's inspected by someone who knows how the work should be done. If you want to electrocute yourself and burn your own house down, that's fine... but if the fire spreads to mine, I won't be happy.
 

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Wow... seriously??? Running a 220 line from a breaker box is a little bit more involved than "plugging in a washer and dryer". Do you know what wire type and gauge to use? Do you know what type of armor the cabling requires when mounted exposed in a garage? Do you know the capacity of your electrical box and whether it can handle the added amperage of a 220V charger?

Getting a permit ensures that you do the work properly, that it's inspected by someone who knows how the work should be done. If you want to electrocute yourself and burn your own house down, that's fine... but if the fire spreads to mine, I won't be happy.
If you use a licensed electrician to install one, 220 outlet I doubt there's any jurisdiction that would require a permit and inspection. Of course I've been wrong before......ask my ex-wife.
 

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Ah the media...it couldn't have been "Electric car battery charger..." it HAD to be "Smart car battery charger..."

That said, this isn't the first case of chargers setting homes on fire. In fact Tesla, Nissan, and even Fisker have some fire cases. And since the final phase "smart EV"s aren't here yet, it seems the culprit is a current gen ED.
 

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If you use a licensed electrician to install one, 220 outlet I doubt there's any jurisdiction that would require a permit and inspection. Of course I've been wrong before......ask my ex-wife.
LoL... I've been wrong before too... ask my 3 ex wives.

But you're probably right, if you use a licensed contractor you most likely can avoid the permitting and inspection. ("Licensed" being the key word.) I was referring to the homeowner installation. There is nothing to indicate that he is licensed.
 

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Here's a dumb question. Was this a battery TENDER charger on a regular Smart? The wife said her husband installed "such a small device" the day before they left to Kentucky "to keep the battery at optimum charge" - but don't specify it's an ED. Battery tenders are pretty small, and fairly easy to short out or install wrong. Maybe it wasn't an actual topping-off tender but a full-power charger meant to be used for a few minutes.

Info from this link is slightly different than the first:
( Estero fire caused by Smart Car charger - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida )

The link above doesn't mention Smart ED at all.
 

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Here's a dumb question. Was this a battery TENDER charger on a regular Smart? The wife said her husband installed "such a small device" the day before they left to Kentucky "to keep the battery at optimum charge" - but don't specify it's an ED. Battery tenders are pretty small, and fairly easy to short out or install wrong. Maybe it wasn't an actual topping-off tender but a full-power charger meant to be used for a few minutes.

Info from this link is slightly different than the first:
( Estero fire caused by Smart Car charger - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida )

The link above doesn't mention Smart ED at all.
The first link does...and the title kinda suggests the car is electric as well...

From the first link:
Florida fire officials concluded on Tuesday that the Smart ForTwo Electric Drive's battery charger caused the blaze. Spokeswoman Susan Lindenmuth stated that the vehicle was burnt so badly beyond recognition that officials could not identify its make or model. According to Lindenmuth, it was the first time her department had ever responded to a Smart car fire in her eight years working for Estero Fire Protection & Rescue.
 

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Yeah, but consider surrounding facts: The Smart ED isn't even public yet. It was "such a small device" - if it's so small that its size deserves mention, I don't think it's a charging system for an EV - those require large, super safe cables, connectors, etc.

And, biggest tell of all : it was delivered by FedEx just prior. What (custom retrofitted) EV doesn't have a charger?

I think reporters got their "facts" wrong in their excitement to say, "OMG SMALL CAR GO BOOM!"
 

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Touché...

Although the electric car chargers at the local mall are somewhat small (minus the cables) so it's really anyone's guess. I'd say it probably was an electric smart if the owner actually said it was...
 

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It was "such a small device" - if it's so small that its size deserves mention, I don't think it's a charging system for an EV - those require large, super safe cables, connectors, etc.

And, biggest tell of all : it was delivered by FedEx just prior. What (custom retrofitted) EV doesn't have a charger?
Most EVs can be charged using 110v and are pretty much plug and play. To speed the charge time 220v is the preferred method which does require an optional charger.

Home Depot has 13 different Level 2 (220v) chargers listed and as shown, the indoor wall-mounted models are quite compact. Outdoor models are larger and of course weatherproof..


Search Results for*ev charger*at The Home Depot
 

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Nothing definite yet:
It is still unclear which type of Smart ForTwo it is, as the fire damage is very extensive, but it may be a second generation ED, or possibly a conversion.

Source: Smart ED May Be to Blame for Florida House Fire - autoevolution


Firefighters say a small car, known as a Smart Car, was plugged in to a battery charger. The charger caught the small car on fire which then quickly spread to the garage and contents and then moved to the attic space.
Source: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2012-10-09/Estero-fire-started-by-Smart-Car-battery-charger#.UHacg7TtqXQ

From the carcass, can someone confirm it's a 451 cabrio (roll bar)?
 

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Wow... seriously??? Running a 220 line from a breaker box is a little bit more involved than "plugging in a washer and dryer". Do you know what wire type and gauge to use? Do you know what type of armor the cabling requires when mounted exposed in a garage? Do you know the capacity of your electrical box and whether it can handle the added amperage of a 220V charger?

Getting a permit ensures that you do the work properly, that it's inspected by someone who knows how the work should be done. If you want to electrocute yourself and burn your own house down, that's fine... but if the fire spreads to mine, I won't be happy.
I wired my garage for 220, and it was a snap. You buy the little green book, you follow the pictures. There is no rocket science there, it's pretty simple stuff! The only thing in the house that was wired to code was what I did! I always worried the house would burn down from the original aluminum wiring:eek:, but not from the work I did!

When I moved into my new house, the 220 outlet in the shop was screwed up. I got my VOM (volt-ohm-meter) out and checked it and sure enough, the 'professional' had screwed it up. It was a new house so I made him come out and fix it, but the VOM told me which 2 he had swapped!

220 in a house is no more than 2-legs of 110, so instead of one positive and one ground you have (2) 110 legs with one ground. It's worth getting the little green book just to educate yourself. After a quick reading it's not so mysterious!:wink:
 

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this isn't the first case of chargers setting homes on fire. In fact Tesla, Nissan, and even Fisker have some fire cases

It's starting to look as if this electric car boondoggle is costly, and dangerous to boot.

No wonder electric cars were popular between 1900 and 1910, and then went out of business because of the gasoline cars are plainly better.

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-Isn't the point of Electric cars LESS complicated life and BETTER sleep?
-After this; BEV's will never grow beyond boutique cars.
-Even a smart ED can catch fire?
-It's safer to smoke in your garage next to a 30 gallon tupperware full of E10.
 
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