Smart Car of America Forum banner

41 - 60 of 86 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
7,615 Posts
Selling only 10.000 smarts the USA is no business, it costs millions of subsidies. I wouldn't wonder, if there's a limit until they'll stop it (they dreamt of 60.000 p.a.!). But now China, Russia, Brazil and India are the important markets, neither USA nor Europe.
Schaefca, the smart "dark cloud" :rolleyes:

Your comments are confusing?

Who is "they?" Don't recall that Penske ever "dreamt of 60,000 (U.S.) smart sales per year" as that could have represented a significant challenge to the Smartville production capacity?

"But now China, Russia, Brazil and India are the important markets, neither USA nor Europe."

While I would agree that China, Russia, Brazil & India represent an opportunity for smart/MB, here is what Daimler said in summarizing their 2012 fortwo sales:


smart fortwo again surpasses 100,000 milestone
Last year, 103,738 customers chose a new smart fortwo. With this, the previous year's outstanding sales volumes were not only met but exceeded by 1.7%.

Dr. Zetsche: “The smart fortwo has once again managed to exceed our expectations, surpassing the milestone of 100,000 vehicles sold despite the difficult market environment in Southern Europe.”

Over the last twelve months, the micro compact car performed particularly well primarily in the U.S. (+92.2%), China (incl. Hong Kong) (+43.8%) and Canada (+29.0%).
Hardly the words of a car manufactuer who would be abandoning N.A. or the U.S.? Not sure what the actual sales for China might have been as they are not reported? :confused:

November 2012 Summary:

35 (incomplete) smarts sold in important markets?
Brazil: 30
Russia: 5
China: with significant gains in 2012?
India: 0

5,159 smarts sold in Europe, no longer important?
Germany: 2,054
Italy: 1,599
UK: 553
France: 499
Switzerland: 158
Spain: 107
Portugal: 91
Austria: 47
Netherlands: 44
Sweden: 4
Poland: 3

1,024 smarts sold in North America (NAFTA), U.S. no longer important?
USA: 704
Mexico: 168
Canada: 152
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,944 Posts
Discussion Starter #45

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
7,615 Posts
Kobe Bryant Returns to Shanghai to Celebrate The First Ever smart times in China

Odd that the smart sales in China are so difficult to find? :confused:

August 19, 2012, Shanghai - "This year, smart broke through 10,000 in annual sales in August, three months earlier than in 2011."

This could suggest that smart sales in China may have exceeded 17,000 in 2012?

Kobe Bryant Returns to Shanghai to Celebrate The First Ever smart times in China
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,266 Posts
Poland, Sweden, and Russia round out the bottom
with 3, 4, and 5 respectively.
Maybe these three booming countries are
full of families with kids?:huh:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,944 Posts
Discussion Starter #48 (Edited)
Here is what I could gather from many different sources for total sales 2012:
  1. Germany: 28,053
  2. Italy: 21,473
  3. China: 15,680
  4. USA: 10,009
  5. UK: 5,616
  6. France: 5,441
  7. Spain: 2,402
  8. Canada: 2,387
  9. Switzerland: 1,889
  10. Mexico: 1,634
  11. Japan: 1,401
  12. Austria: 738
  13. Brazil: 631
  14. Greece: 541
  15. Netherlands: 469
  16. Argentina: 329
  17. Denmark: 191
  18. Honk Kong: 144 (for some reason they separate this number from mainland China)
  19. Australia: 142
  20. Puerto Rico: 138 (they separate PR's numbers too)
  21. Monaco: 86
  22. Czech Republic: 74
  23. Sweden: 55
  24. Norway: 48
  25. Croatia: 36
  26. Russia: 28
  27. Ireland: 0 (Brand not sold over there)
  28. Cyprus: ?
  29. Finland: ?
  30. Hungary: 8
  31. Indonesia: ?
  32. Lebanon: ?
  33. Luxembourg: ?
  34. Poland: ?
  35. Portugal: 1,635
  36. Romania: ?
  37. Serbia: 3
  38. Slovakia: 1
  39. Slovenia: ?
  40. South Africa: ?
  41. Turkey: ?
Total: 101,282 I'm missing 2,456 from the total sales worldwide which was 103,738.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
250 Posts
Hello from Germany!

"(...) Smart Car sales in China grew 45% in 2012 to a total of 15,680 vehicles, according to the company. It’s still a niche player, though, given the overall size of the Chinese automobile market. Source>>

Regards

Schaefca
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
28,450 Posts
... their own version of a smart car.
Otherwise known as a copy - not a smart.

We just got the numbers for China so that question has been answered. What's interesting to me from that link is that smart is selling cars directly from a website - something smart USA might find worthwhile to explore. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,944 Posts
Discussion Starter #55
Time to revive this thread, here are some interesting numbers:

59,546 units of the compact two-seater smart have been delivered to customers since the beginning of this year (p.Y. 63,713 units). The smart fortwo electric drive, which is manufactured in Hambach and has a market share of around 40 percent, was the clear market leader among all electric passenger cars newly registered in Germany in the first half of 2013. The smart plant in Hambach, France, is now preparing for the next generation of the current smart fortwo, which is due to be launched in 2014. Production is being suspended for almost two months, starting in July, so that the necessary retrofitting of the plant can be carried out.
Source: Mercedes-Benz starts second half of the year with record month and 20% growth | Daimler Global Media Site > Company > Business News
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
170 Posts
Otherwise known as a copy - not a smart.

We just got the numbers for China so that question has been answered. What's interesting to me from that link is that smart is selling cars directly from a website - something smart USA might find worthwhile to explore. :)
I thought that Tesla was working the website issue. It was my understanding that it is prohibited in the US.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
250 Posts
Hello from Germany!

*update*

Smart car sales 2013 worldwide:

7,285 cars in January, minus 4,2%
7,837 cars in February, minus 7,0&
10,510 cars in March, minus 4,0%
8,740 cars in April, minus 8,5%
8,680 cars in May, minus 8,3%
8,815 cars in June, minus 8,1%
7,679 cars in July, minus 5,5%
5,710 cars in August, minus 5,2%

Source>>

Regards

Schaefca

P.S.: 403 in Canada!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,013 Posts
I think these are reasonable sales considering the situation. that's about -6% overall, compared to -7.4% for PSA Peugeot Citroën, for example. Since sales for the industry are still 20% below 2007 levels (in Europe) it's all relative. Folks are only forecasting growth of 3% for 2014, and that's seen as a recovery.
 
41 - 60 of 86 Posts
Top