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I just purchased my 2015 Smart Fortwo Pure 451 a couple,weeks,ago. i read as much as I could about what to buy and carry. After exhaustive research these are hands down what i believe that everyone should carry behind the passenger seat and underneath it
1. GTE Tools - LugStrong 26" Universal Compact Lug Wrench Set. $40 Amazon buy at Amazon.com: GTE Tools - LugStrong 26" Universal Compact Lug Wrench Set, Super-Strong Tire Iron & Lug Nut Remover - 2X More Torque! Never Get Stuck on The Road Again!: Automotive
2. CRAFTSMAN Shallow Impact Socket, Metric, 1/2-Inch Drive, 15mm (CMMT15863) $5.48 CRAFTSMAN Shallow Impact Socket, Metric, 1/2-Inch Drive, 15mm (CMMT15863) - - Amazon.com
3. If you want to put on 17mm bolts use RAD German Lug Bolts 12mmx1.5, 25mm Shank, R12 Ball Seat, 17mm Hex (Box of 20 $59.99 ) buy at Amazon.com: RAD German Lug Bolts 12mmx1.5, 25mm Shank, R12 Ball Seat, 17mm Hex (Box of 20): Automotive

4. LEAD BRAND Scissor Jack is a Fast and Labor-Saving Design $33.90 Amazon.com: buy at https://www.amazon.com/LEAD-BRAND-Labor-Saving-Enlarged-Disassembled/dp/B081H362TK
( this jack has the round Rubber top and is Slotted so you don’t need the hockey puck, and the ridge allow you to put the slot on the jack right in the correct jacking point, or you can slide the jack to the round area not covered with plastic undercarriage where you would have put the hockey puck. This jack lets you place it in either spot and also has a wratchet to raise/lower the jack. I would seriously say that this is the perfect combination. You then completely close down the jack and put it on the floor behind the passenger seat (even leaving it in the box. You then put the lug Wrench on top of the jack box since the lugwrench has its own nylon case that you will put in the 15mm socket (you don’t need a 17mm socket if you changed out your bolts to 17mm , since that size is already on the lug wrench. You then place a spare front tire that you have covered with a spare tire cover
5. Leader Accessories Universal 22"-24" Spare Tire Cover Fit for Trailer, RV, Car, Truck Wheel, Black $11.59 at https://www.amazon.com/TEROMAS-Inflator-Compressor-Portable-Inflatables/dp/B0823K1FY1.com/Leader-Accessories-Univesal-Spare-Trailer/dp/B00NILZ9YU

Lastly you will put this under the passenger seat along with a flashlight and a baggy with rubber gloves to keep your hands clean Teromas Tire Inflator Air Compressor, Portable DC/AC Air Pump for Car Tires 12V DC and Other Inflatables at Home 110V AC, Digital $54.99 and youcan buy at Amazon.com: TEROMAS Tire Inflator Air Compressor, Portable DC/AC Air Pump for Car Tires 12V DC and Other Inflatables at Home 110V AC, Digital Electric Tire Pump with Pressure Gauge: Automotive
( you should use this just to fill your air and not the one under the passenger floorboard since you can always have this handy under your passanger seat, and can be used with 110v or off the battery and you can check and fill the psi in all the tires on your car and not have to tear up your floorboard to get the small emergency air compressor that is barely big enough to do the job. Also the service manager told me never to put the slime in your tires that they tell you because i messes up the $60 Mercedes tire pressure sensor that will stop working if it is covered in slime and dries. The only thing I wish is that 2nd party would make a steel rim with the 3 hole lug pattern for the smart car, an example can be found at Spare Tire And Wheel Only (15 Inch) at Amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-Solutions-926-023-Spare-Wheel/dp/B07GNNCM6C With this donut half tire size it would get you to a gas station. But also someone could then come up with mounting brackets that can be mounted on the back of the car on the tail gate to accommodate this smaller 1/2 tire size since a full size tire is not practical and as for now I found a spare front rim and wheel that is narrow enough to fit behind my passenger seat - but hopefully If enough smart car owners commit to buying a small reasonably priced spare to fit on the tailgate just for emergencies someone will decide to make them
 

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Not sure there was a compact / temporary spare made for Smart mdl 451. Your best best is get front OEM steel wheel/tire. This fits back axle of 451 model. Wonder about model 453? ... those wheels got 4 bolt pattern.
Strange idea... take a trip to Europe, check their yards for Smart cars used wheels/ other parts in demand in USA. They should have lot more damaged Smarts... then we got in USA.
 

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Thanks, that is good information ... I have to be honest that I was going to not worry about carrying a spare on long drives and call roadside if I got a blowout. A guy in town was selling two front rims with like new tires and sensor, and center cap for $80 each, so It got me thinking about carrying a spare. I ordered the replica rear rims for $150 ea online and bought Two center caps and Sensors off eBay and am taking them down to have snow tires put on, and will then have a complete set of winter tires for here n Colorado and can switch back in the spring, but now will always have a spare front to throw behind the passenger seat if I am going to be driving any real distance.
 

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Sounds like a lot of expensive and unnecessary work. Years ago I got myself a floor jack from Walmart. It was something like $20? Still works fine today on my smarts and Volkswagens. For a spare tire I use a steel front wheel from a 450. I then stuff that wheel behind the driver seat. It's as thin as a regular donut spare but has a real tire and can go highway speed. The compressor in the passenger footwell is more than enough to pump up tires in all of my passenger cars. I just leave it in the boot with the floor jack instead of putting it back in the footwell.

Maybe I'm missing something, why get 17mm lug bolts? I've never found the 15s to be a problem.

There was a guy that made neat spare tire carriers for smarts many years ago, but not enough people bought them. These are niche cars and specialty products for niche cars are going to be pricey.
 

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I totally agree with you. smart cars are great if you use them for their intended purpose of driving in the city and using the fix a flat and portable air compressor to get you to a gas station to fix or replace a flat. However my primary car is a 2014 KIA Optima that also did not come with a spare and are given the same repair kit as the smart car does and a 1-800 number to call if you get a flat. Living in colorado it is a 12 hour drive to Vegas through Utah, where there are no gas stations for hundreds of miles. I got a blown tire about 4 hours from Salt Lake City, I was unable to fix the flat with the repair kit so called the number to Kia. It was nearly 2 hours waiting in the hot 90 degree weather for a tow truck, then it was about another 90 min doing paperwork and connecting the car and driving to a service station that could not get to me for another hour, and overcharged me on my tire and said I had to replace the other tire also since it was shop policy not to sell one tire if the other one does not have enough tread. My long point being, is it is foolish to buy a car if you only plan on driving it in the city, and I wish I had your floor jack and a spare tire in my car when my tire blew. I immediately bought a half tire for my Kia which included a jack. it just didn’t seem to make sense that there was not a jack for a smart car that you could carry with your spare, and even if you had found one all of the lug wrenches they sell are for the smallest being 17mm, so the15mm bolts on the tire are usually unbreakable without a lug, (which is why there are a lot of posts for people that want to just spend $20 to get 17mm bolts so they can carry any standard lug wrench. I just wanted to give smart car owners an option to buy a collapsable lug wrench that uses a 15mm socket. I workout 5x a week and I seriously would not have been able to break the bolts free just using a 15mm socket Wrench. It is good that you feel you have everything you need to service your car. I am just someone who likes to have all my options presented to me, and doesn’t buy into the philosophy that you can live without a spare because there is a fix a flat and air compressor in the car. You probably also knew that using the fix a flat to seal a leak will also damage the air sensor in the tire and they charge $60 for a new sensor when they fix or replace your flat tire at tire repair shop and won’t repair the flat unless it is working properly. All in all I personally would rather spend $100 for a jack and lug wrench and air compressor to fix a flat if I am ever on the highway stranded again with no cell service, then spend valuable time and money being towed and forced to buy a tire that may not be identical to one that blew. Even if you carry a spare just to have them put on, you are still waiting for a tow truck when you can change it yourself 30 minutes.
 

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I had a factory scissor jack set from smart. It had two different lug nut sockets in the kit. One for the standard smart car wheels, I believe the larger one Brabus lug nuts. Not sure.

All our other cars have spare tires. If you were in the middle of no where. It would take for ever for a tow truck driver, to come to your mercy. What would he do if the tire is toast. Just carry a spare behind the seat. Make yourself a spare tire holder like.

 

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Thank you - that’s good advice. It feels like I am getting into the game late with buying a smart car now that they are not importing them anymore due to poor sales In the US. I am Just thankful their is a community of car owners out their willing to share their knowledge
 

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I recently drove down to Tennessee from Illinois for an offroad rally and amusingly, I needed both the sealant and my 450 spare. I completely blew one tire on a rock, which made me put my spare into service. I repaired the slashed tire with a tire plug and a lot of sealant. Thankfully I didn't need to use that tire again. Whew!

My confusion is with the part about going up to 17mm bolts because lug wrenches don't come in 15mm. I got a ~$10 metric deep socket set from Harbor Freight with a breaker bar. Makes short work of the lug bolts and I'm not even that strong. Plus, the breaker bar can be used for a plethora of diy repairs like doing your own brakes, which a lug wrench would not be useful for.

OH!! And I just thought of something. There is a way you can get a rear spare tire carrier! :) Get a tow hitch installed (U-Haul should still do it) then nab one of those hitch-based spare tire carriers off eBay. :)
 

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I had a factory scissor jack set from smart. It had two different lug nut sockets in the kit. One for the standard smart car wheels, I believe the larger one Brabus lug nuts. Not sure.

All our other cars have spare tires. If you were in the middle of no where. It would take for ever for a tow truck driver, to come to your mercy. What would he do if the tire is toast. Just carry a spare behind the seat. Make yourself a spare tire holder like.

This is the best spare tire solution on a smart i've seen. Thanks for sharing. Does the trunk door still open, or does the tire come in the way? Do you have any instructions for how to make the tire holder?
 

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Here is the best solution, is a fold down tire rack. They sell them them at any trailer hitch store. You would be able to fold down the rear hatch a little. The car, would need a trailer receiver hitch. 1 1/4” one.
 

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Without trailer hitch, using tow hook access on rear bumper support bracket (under bumper's skin). My design allows complete folding of spare tire & full access to rear hatch area. Build this for 2011 & 2014 Smarts. Image shows 2014 ED using rear OEM steel wheel/tire as a spare. Problem these days... finding two bolts that go into tow hook holes.
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All Aluminum is just leftovers from my FIRST Robotics mentoring days, steel bar is junk yard Toyota DIY bumper find. In Henderson, CO we have dedicated yard that has any imaginable aluminum stock... by foot, reasonable prices. Entire system is bolted w/stainless bolts, no welding.
 

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Found source of bolts required for DIY Smart projects... like bike rack, spare rack even light trailer is a possibility.
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Stainless steel bolts "Smart Car Rear kit", from GMG / gominigo.com @ $60 & shipping may seem little high, but try converting tow hooks to accomplish same... will take time!
 

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Great find on bumper bolts from Smart Madness. Back in 2011 could not find other source then GMG. Bolts look same, made from s steel. Than traffic post came handy. My cross bar between bolts was from vintage Toyota pickup front bumper, found at local yard... cheap. Next time I would get cross bar from aluminum... less weight & no rust.
 
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