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2008 21,146
2009 14,595
2010 5,927
2011 5,348
2012 10,778
2013 9,264
2014 10,381
2015 7,484
2016 6,211
2017 3,071
2018 1,276
2019 605
 

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Where did the numbers come from? The smart USA numbers were 24,622 total for 2008 - just for the US. :)

car-base, shows smart USA numbers.

 

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car-base, shows smart USA numbers.
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Goodcarbadcar.net has a bad reputation in automotive press. Sometimes it seems they just make up sales figures out of thin air. Carsalesbase.com's numbers should be correct. :)
 
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Annual Vehicle Sales

YearSalesGrowthMarket Share
200824,6220.19
200914,595-40.720.14
20105,927-59.390.05
20115,208-12.130.04
201210,00992.190.07
20139,264-7.440.06
201410,45312.830.06
20157,484-28.400.04
20166,211-17.010.04
20173,071-50.560.02
20181,276-58.450.00
2019680-46.710.00
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^ Please reread the post above yours “Smart U.S. Sales Figures.”
 

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the major complaint i heard was about the price. these cars cost as much as a honda civic (basic honda parts, not mercedes-benz) which are much cheaper to repair and have higher reliability and obviously more practicality and higher resale value. people had said (here in new york city), this car should have retailed for $10,000 or so.
 

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the major complaint i heard was about the price. these cars cost as much as a honda civic (basic honda parts, not mercedes-benz) which are much cheaper to repair and have higher reliability and obviously more practicality and higher resale value. people had said (here in new york city), this car should have retailed for $10,000 or so.
That comparison doesn't really work. A Honda Civic is in a completely different class of vehicle, and the two cars do not cost the same unless you use some fuzzy math to make them match. An accurate comparison would be the Honda Fit or Fiat 500. But even then, it's a pointless comparison.

Honda officially dropped the Fit in America in 2020. If the Honda Fit couldn't sell enough units to justify its existence, smart didn't stand a chance. Americans just aren't buying small cars like they used to.
 

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That comparison doesn't really work. A Honda Civic is in a completely different class of vehicle, and the two cars do not cost the same unless you use some fuzzy math to make them match. An accurate comparison would be the Honda Fit or Fiat 500. But even then, it's a pointless comparison.

Honda officially dropped the Fit in America in 2020. If the Honda Fit couldn't sell enough units to justify its existence, smart didn't stand a chance. Americans just aren't buying small cars like they used to.
Actual the Honda Fit isn’t a good comparison. It sales numbers are still extremely high. Honda drop that model, for the more favorable HRZ crossover. The closest Comparison, was the long gone Scion IQ. You really can’t compare a Fiat 500 either, to a smart car. A really good comparison, would be the Chevrolet Spark.

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With Oil $'s going up with the current admin. Smarts are going to more popular than ever.
Not in this country. The smart brand is long gone. Sad but it’s true. If fuel prices increase here. There will be plenty of EV’s on the horizon, to be offered.

91 octane fuel were I live, is still $2.09-$2.15 a gallon.
 

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Actual the Honda Fit isn’t a good comparison. It sales numbers are still extremely high. Honda drop that model, for the more favorable HRZ crossover. The closest Comparison, was the long gone Scion IQ. You really can’t compare a Fiat 500 either, to a smart car. A really good comparison, would be the Chevrolet Spark.
You're right. The Fit and Fiat 500 are larger vehicles with a broader appeal. And yet, the decent sales numbers of the Fit weren't high enough for Honda to want to keep it around. The HRZ is where the money is.

What tiny cars are still holding on? Just the Chevy Spark and Mitsubishi Mirage? I can see why GM is keeping the Spark around. Its 2020 sales were greater than its 2019 sales, which is seriously impressive.

With Oil $'s going up with the current admin. Smarts are going to more popular than ever.
Unfortunately, smart's VP of Global Sales has confirmed that smart has no plans on coming back to the States. Weirdly, smart will be producing two SUVs, which are exactly the kind of vehicles that would sell well here.
 

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Actual the Honda Fit isn’t a good comparison. It sales numbers are still extremely high. Honda drop that model, for the more favorable HRZ crossover. The closest Comparison, was the long gone Scion IQ. You really can’t compare a Fiat 500 either, to a smart car. A really good comparison, would be the Chevrolet Spark.
i would not touch a chevy. EVERY single video, scotty kilmer on youtube calls its dealerships junkyards and especially the spark. WHY do american cars break down so quickly all of the time? why are they so unreliable. i just don't get it.

also, i was not comparing the civic to a smart car for its size. i was comparing VALUE. i kept hearing from people that the smart was overpriced at retail compared to so much more car you could get (and more reliability, far easier to resell, better trade in value, and cheaper parts when needed a decade down the road) compared to many other compacts or subcompacts out there. this was the reason people abandoned ship from my hearsay chit chats in brooklyn, NY.
 

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i would not touch a chevy. EVERY single video, scotty kilmer on youtube calls its dealerships junkyards and especially the spark. WHY do american cars break down so quickly all of the time? why are they so unreliable. i just don't get it.

also, i was not comparing the civic to a smart car for its size. i was comparing VALUE. i kept hearing from people that the smart was overpriced at retail compared to so much more car you could get (and more reliability, far easier to resell, better trade in value, and cheaper parts when needed a decade down the road) compared to many other compacts or subcompacts out there. this was the reason people abandoned ship from my hearsay chit chats in brooklyn, NY.
The Chevrolet Spark Reliability Rating is 4.0 out of 5.0, which ranks it 10th out of 21 for subcompact cars. The average annual repair cost is $434 which means it has excellent ownership costs. The severity of repairs is average and the frequency of those issues is low, so major repairs are uncommon for the Spark.


The Chevy Sparks sales number are strong

202033.478
201931.281
201823.602
201722.589
201635.511
201532.853
201439.159
201334.130
201212.385



JD Powers....Cadillac and the Buick brands, are top rated in terms of reliability.
 

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i would not touch a chevy. EVERY single video, scotty kilmer on youtube calls its dealerships junkyards and especially the spark. WHY do american cars break down so quickly all of the time? why are they so unreliable. i just don't get it.
Have you seen what he says about the Smart?
I hear all kinds of people talking smack about the Smart and I ask them all the same questions, "Ever owned one? (No) Ever worked on one? (No) Ever even driven one? (No) Then what do you base your opinion on? (Silence)"
 

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i would not touch a chevy. EVERY single video, scotty kilmer on youtube calls its dealerships junkyards and especially the spark. WHY do american cars break down so quickly all of the time? why are they so unreliable. i just don't get it.

also, i was not comparing the civic to a smart car for its size. i was comparing VALUE. i kept hearing from people that the smart was overpriced at retail compared to so much more car you could get (and more reliability, far easier to resell, better trade in value, and cheaper parts when needed a decade down the road) compared to many other compacts or subcompacts out there. this was the reason people abandoned ship from my hearsay chit chats in brooklyn, NY.
Scotty Kilmer's YouTube is about the worst place on the net to get car information. He may be a mechanic in real life but his YouTube channel is really just "entertainment". His video on the smart wasn't even factually accurate. If you want informative and well-researched car videos, CNBC makes many quality mini-documentaries about the auto industry.

Vehicle reliability isn't as black and white as it used to be. Many domestic models rate as good or better than Japanese or European counterparts. Also keep in mind that reliability surveys nowadays often include stuff like the infotainment system having glitches. So a vehicle can be dinged for reliability for reasons that don't actually have anything to do with the vehicle's ability to get from A to B.

Your value proposition regarding the Civic is still incorrect. You said the fortwo costs the same as a Civic which is simply untrue unless you're comparing a base Civic to a Brabus fortwo, fuzzy math. But like smark said, comparing a larger car to a smart is a weird and inaccurate exercise.

Parts for smarts also aren't all that expensive, either. I could do a synthetic oil change for $33, front brakes for about $60. I've also had to purchase bearings and a couple of alternators. I've even priced out an oil pan to fix damage from off-roading. None of those parts are unreasonable in price. Where these cars do get expensive is when you take them to the dealership for service. But if your smart is out of warranty there really isn't a reason to go to a dealership anymore. Find a local mechanic and enjoy your cost savings.
 

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i would not touch a chevy. EVERY single video, scotty kilmer on youtube calls its dealerships junkyards and especially the spark. WHY do american cars break down so quickly all of the time? why are they so unreliable. i just don't get it.

also, i was not comparing the civic to a smart car for its size. i was comparing VALUE. i kept hearing from people that the smart was overpriced at retail compared to so much more car you could get (and more reliability, far easier to resell, better trade in value, and cheaper parts when needed a decade down the road) compared to many other compacts or subcompacts out there. this was the reason people abandoned ship from my hearsay chit chats in brooklyn, NY.
car1, welcome to SCoA. Have you ever driven a smart?

Trying to better understand your expertise on all things smart, Chevy, Spark & Civic?

While we welcome your contributions to The Forum, it appears that the basis of your opinions may be driven by YouTube, Scotty Kilmer, HEARSAY & CHIT CHATS?
 
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