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Think about the GM switch and relate it to our own engine failures, shifters that give 3 bars and fail, crazing glazing that's never fixed and other recurring issues over and over Daimler-Benz never does anything about except on a "case by case" issue.....never a proper, voluntary recall.
Apples to oranges - GM switch is a SAFETY issue . . .

When is a recall necessary?

  • When a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment (including tires) does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard.
  • When there is a safety-related defect in the vehicle or equipment.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance requirements for those parts of the vehicle that most affect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting) or that protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash (air bags, safety belts, child restraints, energy absorbing steering columns, motorcycle helmets). These Federal Standards are applicable to all vehicles and vehicle-related equipment manufactured or imported for sale in the United States (including U.S. territories) and certified for use on public roads and highways.


Motor Vehicle Defects and Safety Recalls: What Every Vehicle Owner Should Know | Safercar.gov | NHTSA
 

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Apples to oranges - GM switch is a SAFETY issue . . .

When is a recall necessary?

  • When a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment (including tires) does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard.
  • When there is a safety-related defect in the vehicle or equipment.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance requirements for those parts of the vehicle that most affect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting) or that protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash (air bags, safety belts, child restraints, energy absorbing steering columns, motorcycle helmets). These Federal Standards are applicable to all vehicles and vehicle-related equipment manufactured or imported for sale in the United States (including U.S. territories) and certified for use on public roads and highways.


Motor Vehicle Defects and Safety Recalls: What Every Vehicle Owner Should Know | Safercar.gov | NHTSA
So, when it won't shift into reverse, then won't shift into forward, that's not a RECALL ISSUE?! Feed us some more BS why the damned thing is never recalled....
 

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FACT - I don't make the NHTSA rules and you don't dictate the recalls . . .
 

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So, when it won't shift into reverse, then won't shift into forward, that's not a RECALL ISSUE?! Feed us some more BS why the damned thing is never recalled....
M'kay, because it isn't 2008 anymore and the vast majority of smarts on the road will never see this issue?

No need for a recall on an issue that affects 1% or less of vehicles.

GM's thing is a safety defect that affects 2,000,000+ vehicles and has lead to the death of 12-303 people. That's not even close to the same thing!
 

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Not exactly. If one of your headlights blow out, you're not going to explode in fiery death. Plus, all cars 2010 and later already have said resistors.

The NHTSA considers headlights (like tyres and wipers) to be a wear item as well.

They SHOULD offer those resistors to 2008s and 2009s as a free upgrade (like the 2.0 software), if they don't already.

Has anyone even asked their dealers for said resistors???
 

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132 bucks worth, at the dealer. Since it a know issue, and safety factor. MB, should have a recall. We lost both head lamps one night. Lucky our car had the fogs. More 08's-09's smarts on the road compared to any other years.
It doesn't need to start on fire, or blow up for a recall. Year date of the vehicle isn't a factor either. I still get recall notices on a 98 Accord, we haven't own in 3 years.

Neon, I got a recall 2 years ago for a lug wrench, on one of our 500's.
 

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Parts subject to wear-and-tear replacement - like bulbs - aren't going to trigger a recall, unless there is something about the vehicle that is causing them to fail excessively frequently. The charging voltage is normal, the bulbs are industry standard H7 bulbs used on plenty of other vehicles.

On a VW owners group that I'm on, people complain that they burn bulbs frequently, too.

If you don't like the issue, then do something about it yourself. Good quality HID headlamps and LED bulbs will last by far longer than the standard bulbs. The HID replacements officially do not meet DOT standards in this vehicle's application and they are certainly not required by any motor vehicle standard so there is NOT going to be a recall to install those.

The bulbs meet DOT requirements ... so do the reflectors ... the vehicle's charging system isn't doing anything unusual that would shorten bulb life ... deal with it.
 

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Yup. If it were something like "I put in this brand new bulb and it blew immediately" and it affected like 50% or more of cars, then yeah, it'll definitely be a recall.

But otherwise, the NHTSA will view it as wear and tear and not even be bothered.

A bad lug wrench is a serious safety issue. Improper tightening of bolts can definitely cause **fiery death (or you know, potential for bodily harm)...which is basically what all safety recalls aim to prevent...

**P.S. The term "fiery death" is an inside joke used by the Jalopnik folks in regards to safety recalls.
 

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The Price Of Human Life, According To GM*|*Michael Moore

Think about the GM switch and relate it to our own engine failures, shifters that give 3 bars and fail, crazing glazing that's never fixed and other recurring issues over and over Daimler-Benz never does anything about except on a "case by case" issue.....never a proper, voluntary recall.
I just read the article you quoted. That is exactly the kind of shoddy research, horse crap article I would expect you to quote.

The world according to Larry...:bullsht:
 

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Obviously this is not a life threatening situation...but the defective roof on our cars could have been addressed as a courtesy or a significant discount offered by MB for the dedicated owners and enthusiasts which we are.
Yes, I realize I have greater chance winning the lottery before this would ever happen.
 

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The Pano Roof on the early smarts is the only thing that makes sense to issue a recall on. Other than that what for? My 2 smarts have been perfect.
 

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Actually after having my car get the three bars of death twice in the last three months in the middle of driving my car down the road, Smart Card and Mercedes needs to do a software fix or have a recall on all cars that are programmed to stop working when certain faults happen. I asked my dealer advisor today if the issue with my Smart (the motor in the transmission) was so dire that my car needed to shut down in the middle of the road (since she thinks it's the same issue that happened in Oct). The obvious answer was no.

And from researching other forums and discussions, it seems like there are a handful of codes/faults that will cause the Smart to revert to the three bars of death and immediately shut the car down.

For example, weak battery connection. Does that seem so bad and so dire that a car needs to do the nuclear option and immediately shut off?

What seems more reasonable is some kind of warning light that tells the driver/owner, "You have an issue, get to dealer ASAP."

Most of my driving there is no shoulder and the speed limit is at high speeds. Getting the three bars of death, could actually cause my death.
 

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We had a recall in Canada regarding the smart 450 door locks which were
prone to opening when they weren't supposed to and not locking when
they were supposed too...
All 10,000 plus cars sold in Canada were recalled for this. I personally have
never had the problem as I judiciously apply Wurth HHS 2000 as a regular
maintenance item. Still have the recall notice handy though just in case...
 

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Actually after having my car get the three bars of death twice in the last three months in the middle of driving my car down the road, Smart Card and Mercedes needs to do a software fix or have a recall on all cars that are programmed to stop working when certain faults happen. I asked my dealer advisor today if the issue with my Smart (the motor in the transmission) was so dire that my car needed to shut down in the middle of the road (since she thinks it's the same issue that happened in Oct). The obvious answer was no.

And from researching other forums and discussions, it seems like there are a handful of codes/faults that will cause the Smart to revert to the three bars of death and immediately shut the car down.

For example, weak battery connection. Does that seem so bad and so dire that a car needs to do the nuclear option and immediately shut off?

What seems more reasonable is some kind of warning light that tells the driver/owner, "You have an issue, get to dealer ASAP."

Most of my driving there is no shoulder and the speed limit is at high speeds. Getting the three bars of death, could actually cause my death.

1.Naturally with no shift motor the car WILL NOT be able to drive
2. Bad battery connection..car will stop..simply put it's all electronically controlled (as are most cars now-a-days)
3. umm Check engine light??

Horse beaten ....:)
 

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Silent warranties, secret warranties, technical service bulletins. When I had a new 1999 Miata the word got out that some crankshafts had been mis-machined and would destroy the engine, due to excessive end play. The dealers knew about it, but would only check to see if your engine was a time bomb if you came in and insisted that they inspect your car.

From the day of the sale until the day the warranty runs out, the dealers and the manufacturers are not your friends!
 
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