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OK, your rant is over, but please count to 10 before posting any strong feelings to see if you would do the same during a calmer moment.

With Love in your name, I would bet you are a nice person, even though Texan. LOL

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I thought I was being nice. :D I am a nice person, but it annoys me when people get all righteous. I have been saying for years that we need the choice in the US to drive smaller, more efficient cars. But, the car makers have had a different opinion. When the Smart is a big success, watch them all jump on the bandwagon. I drive about as small a car as I can get, MINI, TT, although they aren't really as economical as I'd like, it is a step in the right direction. The Smart will complete my move.

I'm sure that Perscitus is a nice person too, and means well, but he(?) should just be happy that were all part of the movement...instead of being part of the problem.

1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10. Yep, this message is away. ;)
 

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Whew, some of you are sooo sensitive! Sorry, didn't mean to sound "holier" or even "wholier" than anyone. Any Smart of whatever trimline flavor is "greener" than most of what's on the highways today. I was just answering the question: "Anyone here getting a Pure and if so what helped make your decision?" The only add-on I ordered was the radio. If I lived in a hot or muggy climate I would have ordered the A/C, but I just don't have any need for it here. Amping up the "resale value" with the other options doesn't mean much to me since I intend to keep the car for a long time.
 

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Whew, some of you are sooo sensitive! Sorry, didn't mean to sound "holier" or even "wholier" than anyone. Any Smart of whatever trimline flavor is "greener" than most of what's on the highways today. I was just answering the question: "Anyone here getting a Pure and if so what helped make your decision?" The only add-on I ordered was the radio. If I lived in a hot or muggy climate I would have ordered the A/C, but I just don't have any need for it here. Amping up the "resale value" with the other options doesn't mean to me since I intend to keep the car for a long time.
Maybe that's what you started to write. It's not where you ended up. I don't think I was "sooo sensitive" at all. And I'm waiting on the catalytic converter report.
 

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Honestly? I'm not trying to be green...it's just a byproduct of a cool car. The Smart is affordable for me and gets good mileage to save me $$$. If I earned more I'd be driving a new Mustang. I love the latest body style and I'd get one in a heartbeat....period. I'm not a minimalist either. I just get what I want within my budget. hehehe :) A bachelor of moderate financial means am I. I have a nice little 2 bedroom condo and good friends and love life. If I hit the lottery or win at the casino so much the better. Now please send me my Pure, post haste. :D
 

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For what its worth, my old car is equipped with a dual catalytic converter, crankcase & evaporative emission control and exhaust gas recirculation hardware, and I use unleaded gas. I attempt to keep it well-tuned and maintained. Nothing more to be said, except I hope the new Pure serves me as well.

I seem to have waved a red (oops, I meant green) flag. I'm waving a white flag now! As Kermit said, "It's not easy being green," even here amongst my pure and passionate friends. I promise not to mention politics, religion, or planet-saving here ever again.
 

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I wonder if a reason why Smartusa is surprised at so few pure models is that more of us who put our 99 dollars down see our Smarts as our main car. I mean, if you were just getting a Fortwo as a dinghy for the RV or used it just to go into the city, who would need all of the options- it would be a short hop car.

I am potentially going to trade in my Neon and have the Smart be my only car. I live alone and drive alone. I actually don't need much room and I don't even go on I89 that often. The Smart would seem to work well for me (as long as it goes well in the snow, which my family always asks me "Can you drive it in the snow?")

So, I have a Passion penciled in for me- good stereo, a/c, maybe even p/s. But we will see in a few months (in the 1300s).
 

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Sorry if I sounded like I was on a personal attack, (maybe a little) but there are so many people that like the look of being green or want to appear to be concerned about the state of the World, and in reality are far more guilty than they appear.

It sounds as though you've made more than an average effort to stay true to the cause.

That being said, I still maintain that the optional equipment won't make any significant difference in the efficiency of the Smart. As I've said on this forum before - to each his own. A Loaded Passion for me. :D:cool:
 

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Not true. At highway speeds, a car is more fuel efficient with the A/C on than with the windows down. Even at city speeds, it's a break-even. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Good point, Iho. The a/c isn't that expensive as well and I hate arriving on a date all oily and my hair wind blown. LOL :)
 

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Why No Smart Pulse

Many say the Smart Pulse is the best bang for the buck of all the models?

Why isn’t PAG selling the Smart Pulse model?
 

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At highway speeds, a car is more fuel efficient with the A/C on than with the windows down. Even at city speeds, it's a break-even.
This is very true, presumedly due to the aerodynamic drag caused by the open window, evidenced by the wind buffeting and noise. If one shuts the window about when things gets noisy at speed, that should take care of most/all of the mpg deficit. In town or below 30MPH there apparently is no noticeable fuel economy loss attached to opening the windows (See this thread at CleanMPG).

I am fortunate to live in a "cool maritime" climate, and the days when it's hot enough to want to open my windows at highway speeds are very few. Opening the vehicle vents and maybe turning on the fan takes care of things nicely. It also helps to have a lady in the passenger seat who is cool-draft-averse, which usually limits the window openings to an inch or so.

Remember the day when most autos were equipped with crank-out triangular "wing" windows located just fore of the front side windows? Just cracking these open reduced the buffeting air at the large window and at the same time drew in a current of outside air at the front of the wing and across the dash by venturi action. It's a shame these were sacrificed to style and improvements in glass-making technology, which led to the the one-piece side windows we have today.
 

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Remember the day when most autos were equipped with crank-out triangular "wing" windows located just fore of the front side windows? Just cracking these open reduced the buffeting air at the large window and at the same time drew in a current of outside air at the front of the wing and across the dash by venturi action. It's a shame these were sacrificed to style and improvements in glass-making technology, which led to the the one-piece side windows we have today.
The last car I had with the wings was my '66 Sunbeam Tiger.
 

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Not true. At highway speeds, a car is more fuel efficient with the A/C on than with the windows down. Even at city speeds, it's a break-even. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I have posted before that the drag of air-conditioning can (plus-minus) cancel-out the drag of open windows. Which of the two is more, I don’t know. But the smart does have a lot of open window space relative to the size and power of the car; it maybe an equal trade-off. One thing that I do know after four Honda products and now Subaru, they all depend(ed) on the desiccating effect of air-conditioning to keep the inside of the glass fog-free. (When required the cool, dry air is automatically re-heated, making it even dryer.) “Defroster” fans can only do so much just circulating air. That may be a significant consideration in wet climates like the far PNW.
 

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Another A/C related question

Does anyone know if the smart cuts off the A/C like other small cars when you hit the accelerator?
 

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I have posted before that the drag of air-conditioning can (plus-minus) cancel-out the drag of open windows. Which of the two is more, I don’t know.
The Myth Busters show did some extensive testing to dispell the myth that you could increase fuel economy by rolling down the windows rather than using A/C. The A/C was more fuel efficent until you get below about 40 mph.
 

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I bought a pure, with ac... Installed power windows myself ($90) in parts, saved a lot over the dealer installed opts. Thanks
( will post pics of install soon)
 

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I look forward to seeing how you installed the powered windows. My Pure does not have AC but I am used to not having it. I had a Nissan pickup for 12 years without ac. When you installed the powered windows, how different did it look from stock? My Pure did not come with a radio but I installed one that I bought from a fellow member here. I use it all the time. :)
 

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It doesn't make sense to me to get a car without A/C at the very minimum as far as "options" go, even in traditionally colder climates. It adds very little to the cost of the car, when viewed over the life of the car and the length of the loan, but it adds a great deal to the resale value. I wouldn't buy a used car without an A/C. And I personally consider power windows and locks to be a safety feature. I want to be able to quickly lock my doors or roll up my windows without having to crawl around inside the vehicle.
 
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