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...Before my lease ends. And it's my fault. I can technically baby the tires and bring them back in without changing them. But...

I can't help myself. I'm 3,000 miles into this smart EV and I'm hard launching, accelerating into turns, ducking and dodging between other vehicles, and out-maneuvering any other car on the road that I can just because I can. Brief peel-outs until the ASR kicks in is worth it.

The rear tires are going to be the sacrifice. Hey, I'm chalking up the $200 extra expense to having fun. :D
 

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AFAIK - You don't break loose in the ED either. The smart rep encouraged me to do a full throttle start in the ED when I was testing it. Other than the immediate rush of power it didn't do a thing to those rear tyres.

However, the Continentals are crap anyway. 19k of spirited driving and mine were almost ready to be set out to pasture.
 

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AFAIK - You don't break loose in the ED either. The smart rep encouraged me to do a full throttle start in the ED when I was testing it. Other than the immediate rush of power it didn't do a thing to those rear tyres.

However, the Continentals are crap anyway. 19k of spirited driving and mine were almost ready to be set out to pasture.
The Conti's are EXCELLENT!!! Whatchyootalkin'boutNEON?? :D

They have superb grip in rainy weather and dry weather. They're the best rain/dry tire available on smarts IMO. They're awful in snow, but that's the tradeoff. It's a great Summer tire.

The ESP will let you chirp tires before kicking in. You can also get the tires to skid on aggressive turns.
 

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So is that advantage ICE, longer tire life as you can't break the tires loose on acceleration... :cool:

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For some reason, and I can't prove this, but, it seems to me that either my smart car driving skill has improved, OR, the ESP is a little less aggressive on the 2013+ smarts. I've been able to get the tires to slightly chirp and ESP to behave a little less aggressively going into turns.

Or, it could just be a mental thing with me. Keep in mind though, my Pure is an '09 and my BRABUS is also an '09. The ESP on those seems hyper aggressive, while the '13's/'14's seem to allow a little (slightly) more fun IMO...
 

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The Conti's are EXCELLENT!!! Whatchyootalkin'boutNEON?? :D
Whoops, I need to get better at being descriptive!

My Contis had no problem ripping me around curves, taking me across light snow, gripping in the rain, and dealing with a 19-20 year old with a need for speed.

What they sucked at was wearing. They were below 50% at only 19k. My Kumhos still have waaaaay more than 50% and they're nearing the same mileage. Mind you, my alignment is worse now than it was when I had the Contis.

Despite that, the Kumhos suck whenever there's more than a drop of water on the road. I've had a few near misses because the Kumhos failed where the Contis would've shined. And while I used to say they were better, they really aren't better than the Contis in the snow.

During the recent "snowpocalypse" event, I gave the Kumhos a solid "F". I got stuck in snow that was literally two inches deep, stuff the Contis dealt with easily. Then on ice, the Kumhos tried to throw the arse end around, another thing the Contis never did.

That said, the Contis are too expensive and wear too much for me to even consider buying them ever again.

Next time, I'm going for Primewell (I have good experience with that brand), Yokohama, Firestone, something other than Kumho or Continental. :)
 

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Whoops, I need to get better at being descriptive!

My Contis had no problem ripping me around curves, taking me across light snow, gripping in the rain, and dealing with a 19-20 year old with a need for speed.

What they sucked at was wearing. They were below 50% at only 19k. My Kumhos still have waaaaay more than 50% and they're nearing the same mileage. Mind you, my alignment is worse now than it was when I had the Contis.

Despite that, the Kumhos suck whenever there's more than a drop of water on the road. I've had a few near misses because the Kumhos failed where the Contis would've shined. And while I used to say they were better, they really aren't better than the Contis in the snow.

During the recent "snowpocalypse" event, I gave the Kumhos a solid "F". I got stuck in snow that was literally two inches deep, stuff the Contis dealt with easily. Then on ice, the Kumhos tried to throw the arse end around, another thing the Contis never did.
Below 50% at 19,000 miles?? That's decent for a sport Summer tire!

As far as the rear end whipping out, I found that the Conti's will do that too on icy surfaces. The ESP is almost permanently on at that point preventing the car from picking up any speed... although that is necessary. And don't even think about trying to climb uphill on an icy road. You might as well shut down the road because the smart will fight its way up the hill side to side at like 5 mph's!
 

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Indeed! However, with the miles I now drive (how am I doing 20k a year!?!?!? :eek:) I need something that'll last me a little more than the Contis were aiming for.

The Kumhos are doing that...but well...the whole wet weather thing.
 

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Indeed! However, with the miles I now drive (how am I doing 20k a year!?!?!? :eek:) I need something that'll last me a little more than the Contis were aiming for.

The Kumhos are doing that...but well...the whole wet weather thing.
Grab a set of used Pure wheels from somebody and slap some Blizzacks on those rims for the Winters. You'll be pleasantly surprised. :)
 

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Now that I think about it, I would buy Blizzaks again, just not the WS60. When I had them I was underwhelmed by their dry performance. They would drive on dry ground like my Kumhos handle wet ground. And they had some pretty weak sidewalls.

But I do know that they do make higher speed, stronger winters so that's always an idea. :)

It was very pleasant driving them on snow. No drama, no wheelspin, the esp light didn't even flash. Genius technology considering they weren't even studded!
 

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...Before my lease ends. And it's my fault. I can technically baby the tires and bring them back in without changing them. But...

I can't help myself. I'm 3,000 miles into this smart EV and I'm hard launching, accelerating into turns, ducking and dodging between other vehicles, and out-maneuvering any other car on the road that I can just because I can. Brief peel-outs until the ASR kicks in is worth it.

The rear tires are going to be the sacrifice. Hey, I'm chalking up the $200 extra expense to having fun. :D
Me too. I just beat a Camaro off a signal 0 to 60.

LOL, to be clear that was zero to sixty feet.
 

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I replaced my stock Continentals at 36K and they still had life in 'em.
Click for my original post on the occasion. And follow-up.

But I like good tread.

I've got about 33K on the Michelins at this point. They look a lot better than the Continentals did at the same point.
is that the front versus the back or a completely different rim size....
i have an older pure that needs some new rubber..that looks awesome....

Hard launches are kind of the norm sometimes....but I have not seen a tire wear issue yet...
 

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My smart just eats rear tires. Originals were down to 3/32 at 16K miles.
They are the OEM Kumhos. The original contis on our 2008 were worn by 22K.
The front kumhos have at least 5/32 tread remaining. I do not drive aggressively at all. Not sure why my car is wearing the rears out so damn fast. I bought a set of used ones locally, and put them on the rear. By next fall they will be shot, so then i am going to put on the blizzaks i got from Neon, and they will carry me through until my lease is up in Feb 2015
 

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Which Michelins?
Michelin doesn't make that size any more to the best of my knowledge.
Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S 195/50R15 on all four corners at the time.
is that the front versus the back or a completely different rim size....
I think that's a stock front. I went to 15x6 wheels with 195/50R15 tires on all four corners.

One of the Michelins was the victim of a pothole. I now have Michelin rears and BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 on the fronts.
 

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My smart just eats rear tires. Originals were down to 3/32 at 16K miles.
They are the OEM Kumhos. The original contis on our 2008 were worn by 22K.
The front kumhos have at least 5/32 tread remaining. I do not drive aggressively at all. Not sure why my car is wearing the rears out so damn fast. I bought a set of used ones locally, and put them on the rear. By next fall they will be shot, so then i am going to put on the blizzaks i got from Neon, and they will carry me through until my lease is up in Feb 2015
The car is rear wheel drive, so it'll eat the rears first. Your tire wear is a combination of your driving style, the specific tire, the roads you drive on, how you corner, the weather, etc,. 16k I would consider to be a few thousand miles behind most average smart car owners although not absolutely horrible. I would suspect that your tire pressures are the most likely cause for the excessive wear. Have you been keeping an eye on the tire pressures? Do you reset the light to shut it off without checking the air pressures?
 

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The car is rear wheel drive, so it'll eat the rears first. Your tire wear is a combination of your driving style, the specific tire, the roads you drive on, how you corner, the weather, etc,. 16k I would consider to be a few thousand miles behind most average smart car owners although not absolutely horrible. I would suspect that your tire pressures are the most likely cause for the excessive wear. Have you been keeping an eye on the tire pressures? Do you reset the light to shut it off without checking the air pressures?
I actually run my pressures on the high side. The TPMS light has never illuminated in my smart. On all my other cars, this tends to result in longer tire life, with a slight degradation in ride quality. Since i have a compressor in my garage, i check and adjust my tire pressures monthly. I have never had tires wear this quickly. My driving is 60/40 highway/city. Not a lot of winding road driving, although there is some. I tend to drive gently for maximum economy, as i am a 'hypermiler'. I do think the roads in W PA tend to be hard on tires and brakes.
 

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I actually run my pressures on the high side. The TPMS light has never illuminated in my smart. On all my other cars, this tends to result in longer tire life, with a slight degradation in ride quality. Since i have a compressor in my garage, i check and adjust my tire pressures monthly. I have never had tires wear this quickly. My driving is 60/40 highway/city. Not a lot of winding road driving, although there is some. I tend to drive gently for maximum economy, as i am a 'hypermiler'. I do think the roads in W PA tend to be hard on tires and brakes.
Well, if that's the case I can only see the edges of your tires wearing out first. Not really much I can suggest other than maybe your driving style (tossing the car around or heavy braking), and maybe poor road surfaces in your locality. :( You're not doing anything I wouldn't do.
 
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