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Has anyone used Z-Max in their smart yet?

Any thoughts? (PS- I know you can't use it until after the warranty runs out.)

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Doesn't that tell you something?

Ever heard of "snake oil"? Maybe maybe you should read information that isn't publised by Zmax - try this FTC Sues Speedway Motorsports and Oil-Chem Subsidiary

Also, even though I don't like Amsoil because of their advertising gimickry, this website at least gives some information on aftermarket additives.
The Facts About Aftermarket Oil Additives
Good Info! Thanks everyone... I knew where to come to ask to get an honest and truthful answer.
 

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To say it is a total wate of your money would be like leading a dead horse to water. Just change your oil when you're supposed to and stick to clean gas.
 

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FTC Sues Speedway Motorsports and Oil-Chem Subsidiary

The agency alleges that enhanced performance claims for the product are unsubstantiated, that tests cited to support performance claims actually demonstrated that motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion than motor oil alone, and that the three different products - an engine additive, a fuel line additive and a transmission additive - were all actually tinted mineral oil

NOW Thats Wacked.

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Snake oil to the zMAX!

With Bruton Smith and Carroll Shelby as front men - modern day snake oil!

"By soaking into metal, zMAX disperses carbon and other harmful deposits inside the engine, protecting your engine from the inside out" - come on now, soaking into metal - snake oil.

While I am not a chemist nor an engineer, with all the engine parts acting as a zMAX sponge why doesn't the engine become soft and soggy?

Bruton sez, "over the last few years, we have spent millions of dollars and countless man-hours proving our claims to the satisfaction of the Federal Government." The same Federal Government who buys overpriced hammers and toilets - give me a break!

Take that $30+, change your oil and filter and spend the change on a six pack of beer and a pizza.

So does pizza grease soak into the metal pizza pan?
 

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FWIW....

Speedway Motorsports Announces Resolution of FTC Vs. zMAX Litigation
CONCORD, N.C.--March 20, 2003--Oil-Chem Research Corp. (Oil-Chem) and Speedway Motorsports, Inc. (SMI) announced today a resolution to their dispute with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) concerning the advertising of zMAX Power System.
"We at Speedway Motorsports are very pleased that the staff of the Federal Trade Commission has specifically confirmed that Oil-Chem can continue to make the following claims in its advertising and promotion of zMAX," stated Marylaurel E. Wilks, vice president and general counsel of SMI.

-- zMAX soaks into metal,
-- zMAX reduces friction,
-- zMAX increases horsepower,
-- zMAX dissipates engine heat,
-- zMAX helps to improve or restore gas mileage and reduce emissions in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits,
-- zMAX helps to maintain gas mileage and emissions in newer cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits,
-- zMAX helps to reduce engine wear on engine valve-stems and guides and piston rings and skirts, by virtue of reducing engine deposits,
-- zMAX helps to extend engine life, by virtue of reducing engine deposits.
From: Speedway Motorsports Announces Resolution of FTC Vs. zMAX Litigation :)
 

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So the "resolution" states in part the following;

Oil-Chem and SMI have not admitted any liability in this litigation. However, in order to avoid the significant expense and time involved in the litigation, the FTC, Oil-Chem and SMI have agreed to end the litigation by the signing of an order, which, in summary, states: (a) Oil-Chem and SMI do not admit any liability and continue to deny any liability; (b) The FTC has issued its compliance letter (which confirms that enforcement is not merited for the eight specified claims); (c) Oil-Chem and SMI will not make advertising claims which are not properly substantiated; and (d) Oil-Chem and SMI will offer a refund of up to $1 million, in the aggregate, to certain purchasers of zMAX, who bought zMAX before January 31, 2001. No refund will be offered to purchasers after that date.

Now, what would a reasonable person conclude from all this? Litigation was ended to avoid considerable time and expense. An agreement was made that Oil-Chem and SMI would refund purchasers of the product who bought it before the original lawsuit was filed by the FTC. And, Oil Chem and SMI will no longer make advertising claims that are not properly substiantiated. Of course, it was only after the lawsuit that they undertook their 4.5 milion dollar venture to substantiate their claims.
The following is a summary of the test results - http://www.zmax.com/documents/testing_summary.pdf

These are biased tests of course since they were funded by the producers and marketers of the product to satisfy the demand of the FTC that they "substiantate" their claims. Are there tests that were conducted to disprove their claims?

You may choose to believe their claims or remain skeptical. You may also believe the statements of manufacturers and lubrication specialists who say not to add any additional products to engine oil.
The simple fact of the matter is that no modern engine requires anything more than the approved engine oils that are recommended. Anything else is basically just something to make an "enthusiast" feel better, and they are marketed to that effect.
If it doesn't do any harm -(if you trust that claim) - then use it if you want.
 

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......and I can't agree more with the 'snake oil' comparison. Besides, I can't imagine adding ANYTHING to synthetic oil. :confused:
You got that right. You change the chemistry of the oil. Most additives are petroleum-based and will shorten the drain interval of the oil by adding them. They may improve conventional oil, but by adding that expense, you're better off going with a good synthetic oil instead.

More info on additives. Save your money.

At least with Mobil 1 you can go up to 10,000 to 15,000 miles with their extended oil or better yet, with Amsoil you can go up to 25,000 to 35,000 miles when using one of the Amsoil oil filters.
 

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AMSOIL......... the single greatest automotive advance in two centuries...... Amsoil........ able to leap tall buildings in a single bound........
Amsoil............ ... .... ...... ...... ... .......... .........
amsoil............ I'm shrinking..............
 

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AMSOIL......... the single greatest automotive advance in two centuries...... Amsoil........ able to leap tall buildings in a single bound........
Amsoil............ ... .... ...... ...... ... .......... ...................
amsoil............ I'm shrinking..............

Makes your computer run faster also, I also put some stickers on my computer so now it has blazing speed.
 
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