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Battery Dessicant DIY

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#1 ·
This is so simple, it hardly warrants the time and bandwidth.
If you can change a lightbulb, you can do this maintenance on your Smart ED.


First you need the new part. It is "A 789 340 33 00" available online or at your local dealer.
I paid $36 CAD for it, some have reported slightly more or less, but not a horrible screwing.
Check the expiry date on what you buy, they have a shelf life of about 2-3 years it seems.


here is what I got.
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I suppose it makes some sense to do this on a dry day, to reduce any humidity that might enter the battery during the 20 seconds that the old one is out.


here is what you need to do the job
you can try to find the giant torx socket, (my T70 is too small, so probably a T80) or use a 9/16 hex socket or allen key 14mm will do too
a light (maybe it is so easy you could do it blindfolded) and have some scissors handy to open the new cartridge.
below is my old one, empty wrapper and the tool I used.
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To find the location, look under the car ahead of the rear wheel on the passenger side (RHS) my car is a North American LH drive car.
here I am ready to go.
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Here is what you see under the car, I took a before and after photo, but they are identical


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and here is what you will see when you unscrew it. Note two things:

  • the part you see under the car is the actual cartridge, it looks like you are removing some sort of plug that covers the hole to allow access, but the actual cartridge includes the threaded in cover.
  • the new cartridge come with a rubber washer, my photo below shows that my cartridge came out and left the rubber behind. I had to use my finger to pull the old seal out, don't forget this, I don't think doubling up on the rubber is a good idea.
It is not very tight, and should unscrew easily, everything is Plastic so be careful when you tighten the new one. There is probably a specification somewhere, but just pay attention to how hard it was to unscrew and tighten the new one the same amount.






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there you have it.. unscrew, - quickly unwrap the new one, and screw it in.
There could not be anything easier.
top up your windshield fluid and you have done what the dealer does for 200 dollars (well they do a battery test I think - for some people)
 
#5 ·
Its good to see pictures, my dealer wouldn't let me look at the cartridge after it was changed. Apparently it was contaminated waste, made me check with the parts counter and they said one had been used, not that I don't trust MB... price was about ÂŁ17 so $25 US $34 Canadian possibly plus tax, I was too surprised at the low price to remember.

The almighty Merc WIS says T90 drive and a massive 20Nm = 14.6lbft so really not very tight. eBay seems to be cheapest for T90 bits, must be time for tool shopping.
 
#9 ·
Great post on replacing the Desiccant ! Thanks CBH123.
Rejuvenating Silica Gel in an oven isn't the way to go, although the end of the cartridge looks like it will pry off. My answer was to store my old cartridge in a Vacuum until I need it in 2 more years, then swap the humidity loaded one for the desiccated by vacuum cartridge.
No, I couldn't find a new cartridge for $25. I bought it at the Parts Counter at Mercedes for $75. OUCH. Therefore, I decided it was worth it to get my moneys worth by inventing this contraption. I have included my diagram, and used an old Freon Can valve that just un-screws from the can holder, and threaded it into my PVC cap, using 3M Weatherstrip adhesive as the sealant.
I then used my A/C vacuum pump on my old R-12 gauges and tested the PVC tube to 27 inches Mercury and it held until I slowly lost the vacuum. I then used a grease Gun grease on the threads of the PVC cap, instead of Vaseline petroleum jelly, and it held forever.
That is when I finally broke the seal on my NEW $75 cartridge, and installed it, but not before taking some pictures of the used (bottom) and NEW (Top) cartridges next to each other. You will notice there isn't much difference in the cartridge gel between the two. I surmise that the battery is very well sealed at the factory. Anyway, FYI, I don't think there is much humidity in this system.
Nonetheless, I will service the battery every 2 years as recommended, just to be safe, but I will desiccate my cartridges as we do in Chemistry Lab, when you want to make an AnHydrous product. I Loaded my Old cartridge into the PVC chamber, Vacuumed it down, and shut off the Guage Valves. It holds perfectly. See ya in 2 Years Mr Cartridge, and now I can say BYE to the Mercedes Parts counter for their price gouging on this maintenance device.
I Had all the pumps and gauges. You can probably find R-12 or even a 134a set of gauges, and a used Vac Pump at a Pawn shop for next to nothing. Just a suggestion.
 

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#11 ·
Just last week I bought one on ebay from a Smart/Sprinter dealership in CA. Cost $44 shipped.

Mercedes Benz MB Genuine Air Drier 789 340 33 00 | eBay

Do a search for the part number, 789 340 33 00, and lots of sources come up. For $22/year and as easy as the job appears to be, I will be doing my own using an OE part.

Len
2014 EV
 
#12 ·
Saving $50 on one part, while risking damage to a $20k part. You call that getting your money's worth?

Plus, in two years your compressor probably used more than that in electricity. And you have no way of knowing if it actually removes any water from the desiccant.
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You only vacuum this unit down to -27" once, then turn the valve to seal. Takes 5 min.
If you will notice, the package the cartridge comes in is in a vacuum.
Vacuum environments draw out water vapor...guaranteed.
I hardly see your point. But, that's ok.
 
#17 ·
I've seen that site before. Thank you! I believe it is outside of CA so no sales tax, but they charge $15.04 for shipping to me, and the site I gave charges $10.23 for 2Day shipping. (I'm afraid I'm honest and pay the sales tax come tax time so it's easier when I get charged up front. I don't have to keep track of the purchase). The one I linked is in Monterey, CA, so I'm not sure about the cost to further destinations....
It would, if it were high vacuum. The AC recharge compressor does nothing, it can't lower the pressure below the vapor pressure of the water in the desiccant (remember that desiccant works because it holds on to water really well).
Baking the desiccant would be the way to go, but you'd need to know what it actually is to use the right temperature / time profile.

Considering the uncertainties in regenerating the stuff, $75 for a known-good cartridge is a bargain!
Ahhh. Vapor pressure brings back memories! It must be low in dessicant, I agree. For around $50 from the sites we've listed I wouldn't try to dry it myself either...

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#19 ·
Got around to changing my desiccant cartridge today - Smart calls it an air drier. Wow, what an easy job - wish they were all this easy. Calls for using a T-90 torx, but per cbh123 a 14 mm hex/Allen works perfectly. cbh123 told me that the cartridge wasn't much tighter than a light bulb and he was absolutely right. You don't even have to jack the car up.

Thanks again - great post.

Len
2014 EV
 
#22 ·
Just had my 2-year service done. The dealer did not have the desiccant filter in stock, so it was not replaced, but declared the service completed!
Any potential repercussions to be concerned about? It's a real project to get out to the dealer because of the distance, so I don't want to go there unless I must.
 
#23 · (Edited)
It's unbelievable to me that a dealer would not have a part that every single ED is supposed to have replaced every two years. If it was mine, I'd sure replace it myself. It is a very, very easy DIY job. Cost was $44 delivered to a US address from a CA dealer. Link is in one of the messages above.

Len
2914 EV
 
#25 ·
My "2914" goes in next week for its two year battery check. I've only had the car a year, but the selling dealer did what they called the one year battery check last June even though the car was new with 270 miles on it. I did my own battery desiccant cartridge a few weeks ago, but I may snoop around the parts department and ask what parts they keep in stock. I expect my car to be there for almost a week, because the heater needs to be looked at and my guess is the likely fix is a new part will be needed that they won't have in stock. That one I can understand. No desiccant filter I cannot.

Dealer is 130 miles away. First charging point is 68 miles away. Gave the car a test run today - drove it 67 miles and had 22 miles and 25% juice left. Makes me feel good about my chances. After that first leg, I'm still undecided whether to drive the rest of the way or have it towed.

Len
2014 EV
 
#26 ·
Changed my cartridge today after 27K miles. I paid $44.91 for it on Ebay. I bought a T90 drive for $11.13 on Amazon. I did jack the car up somewhat, because it looked like the clearance was slightly less than the length of the cartridge. Unscrewing the old one and putting in the new one was under 5 minutes. The desiccant in the cartridge looked dry. I think it would be easy to replace it with new desiccant and reuse the cartridge. I'm just not sure now what the right material would be. Alternatively, I do have a vacuum pump, but I don't have a jar to do the evacuation, so, I probably won't go that route. It will be a few years until it needs this maintenance again. so by they I may figure something out to reuse the cartridge. This certainly is one of the easiest DIY maintenance items on a car, so newbies, go for it!
 
#27 ·
Why are you guys :
1) Paying more than a documented dealer price to order from "eBay" ?
2) paying more than a documented dealer price at the dealer?

Also - it was mentioned that this part has an expiry date - and is for a rare car, that needs service rarely... The dealer network in North America can get parts within 24 hours... Why would anyone expect this to be in stock? Just call a day ahead of time with the documented part number and ask to have the part available.

These dealer stories either indicate that the dealer or "the customer" is a dumbass...
 
#28 ·
Can you share the documented dealer price with us? I found what I paid to be the lowest price available to me delivered.
On my cartridge, the expiration date was 7/4/18 2 years after I purchased it. (the part is made in Czech by the way) It seems that if a dealer is selling ED models, they would have at least 1 around to service their customers. If not, their computer system should tell them to order it when a service appointment is made that would need one. There is really no excuse to go to the dealer for the service requiring cartridge replacement, and having them tell customers they don't have them in stock. The customer shouldn't' t be telling the dealer to order them for the service.
 
#31 ·
How far down did you actually pull the vacuum before you shut off the vacuum pump? If you can pull it down to close to 30" of vacuum then I would believe it would be dry. But it might take a while at the 28 or 29 point as it sucks out the moisture slowly from a material designed to soak it up and hold on to the moisture.
 
#34 ·
Battery Assurance Plus- covers 1 change ever 2nd yr

I didn't know this until Sept 2017. I have our car since Sept 2013, At the two year mark I hadn't hit the mileage for a cartridge change and the service guy was quoting me a $ price to change it. By the 3 year 24,000 mile mark I bought my own online and changed it. At the 4 year service the service (new) guy told me it is covered under the BAP (battery lease to own plan) and they'll do it without charge. I didn't pick this up in my paperwork. Would have done it at the 2 year mark. But same observation. The old descant seemed dry, none was stuck together and shook and sounded exactly like the new one I put in. Looks like i'm good for 6 more years under the BAP.
 
#35 ·
If your battery goes belly up, Mercedes has some wiggle room to try to not honor the warranty. Probably won't happen, either the battery dying on you or Mercedes trying to weasel out of paying for it, but the potential is there. BAP requires annual service checks with the desiccant cartridge being replaced every two years regardless of mileage.

Len
2014 EV Coupe 12,750 miles
2014 EV Cabriolet 2,100 miles
 
#39 ·
Thanks to people sharing on this forum I figured I'd try drying out the desiccant in my 451. I've learned that water is heavy, and a cheap kitchen scale is great for observing progress.
Without the gaskets, the cartridge that has bees sitting in my shop (while the battery was open for two years) was 79g.

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After a couple hours at 180 Def F (82 C) in my forced air Blue M electronics oven it was down to 65g.

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While it was drying, since I have a 3D printer and when you have one it's hard not to print out fun tools, I printed out this tool made by @CA2013ECE in this thread. It sure works nice!

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Since the battery has been open for years, I weighed the desiccant after two weeks and found it back up to 75g so I dried it out again. I'll check it every few weeks until it seems stable.

Thanks all for the information!