I've seen lots of sites that offer chip tuning for the first generation smarts, and a few that offer it for the new diesel 451s. Does anyone know if chip tuning is available for the 451 with 71 hp gas engine we're getting in the US? Thanks!
Chip tuning the 451?
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ex300SRT8.... I too can think of a few reasons I desire 20~30 more ponies and accept the modest loss of MPG if that is what it costs...
I think some where around 18~30 months we will see enough density to make the major tuners find a way... we already know it is possible...
Brian R you are wrong in one assumption... the reason we can NOT use this OBDII port for re-mapping is simply that MB deliberately changed the ECU to restrict any full table reads or writes.... They also added in snoop ware so a technician could easily determine if the ECU had been recoded/re-flashed
There is a serious attempt in Europe and to some degree right here in the USA to completely disable a vehicle if it has been tampered with by anyone except the manufactures authorized technicians..... we are a few years from total loss of owner modification but I suspect it is eventually coming... think Global warming religious zealotry
Slightly off topic but the owners manual clearly discloses that this car does have an accident / incident event recorder on board.... think about that and let your imagination go wild with conspiracy therories....
If I were a manufacture, there are two reasons I would want to record several bits of data...first and foremost to defend product liability issus...secondly to deny warranty claims that are caused by an unauthorized modification.... trust me...they are fully aware of the aftermarket impact on warranty claims
I only add this to emphasize why some companies constantly make it harder and harder to change the ECU program...
And before anyone points out how easy some (hell many) cars are to change... seems to me some manufacturers are playing both sides... some cars sell real well in the tuner motor head crowd just because the manufacture winks and nods with a $$$$ grin
I think some where around 18~30 months we will see enough density to make the major tuners find a way... we already know it is possible...
Brian R you are wrong in one assumption... the reason we can NOT use this OBDII port for re-mapping is simply that MB deliberately changed the ECU to restrict any full table reads or writes.... They also added in snoop ware so a technician could easily determine if the ECU had been recoded/re-flashed
There is a serious attempt in Europe and to some degree right here in the USA to completely disable a vehicle if it has been tampered with by anyone except the manufactures authorized technicians..... we are a few years from total loss of owner modification but I suspect it is eventually coming... think Global warming religious zealotry
Slightly off topic but the owners manual clearly discloses that this car does have an accident / incident event recorder on board.... think about that and let your imagination go wild with conspiracy therories....
If I were a manufacture, there are two reasons I would want to record several bits of data...first and foremost to defend product liability issus...secondly to deny warranty claims that are caused by an unauthorized modification.... trust me...they are fully aware of the aftermarket impact on warranty claims
I only add this to emphasize why some companies constantly make it harder and harder to change the ECU program...
And before anyone points out how easy some (hell many) cars are to change... seems to me some manufacturers are playing both sides... some cars sell real well in the tuner motor head crowd just because the manufacture winks and nods with a $$$$ grin
Sorry to bore folks with my SRT8 talk, but it was another MB / Daimler product so maybe there is some relevance. The members of our forum were just hounding the tuners from day one and they all tried and failed for a couple of years. My TCM was finally flashed after about 2 years by a major tuning company because they had ties to MB and the TCM work was done in Europe, but still no luck with the ECU.
Finally after about 2 1/2 years and out of nowhere, the Diablo Predator did what nobody else could do. Many suspected that there was so much talk on the forum of folks not buying the soon to be released Challenger or any other SRT8 product for that matter, because of the lack of ability to tune. A lot of folks that were nuts over the Challenger since it was first announced were suddenly thinking Camaro. But then as stated, miraculously the Predator came out and all of the sudden LTH, cams and SC were all able to work as designed.
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Many cars have been equipped with “Event Data Recorders” since the mid-90s. Here is the list for the USA: http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/cdrlist.pdf
Data from this device has already been used in Court in Australia and Canada. Not that I would recommend doing so, but one may disable the EDR by cutting the EEM voltage pin.<O
</OHere in France (because I'm French - See my description), we have only 1 person who can chip the 451.
The results gives 120 bhp for the 1.0L Turbo. I think it should be sufficiently for a such small car. My mother have the 451 too (Yes...we love smart & Mercedes in our family) and I talked her about this modding and she thinks about too!
The person who did it has an internet shop called Hurrichip. he "mod" Smart since 10 years Now, from the begining in fact. So, if you'd like to ask him a question...
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The results gives 120 bhp for the 1.0L Turbo. I think it should be sufficiently for a such small car. My mother have the 451 too (Yes...we love smart & Mercedes in our family) and I talked her about this modding and she thinks about too!
The person who did it has an internet shop called Hurrichip. he "mod" Smart since 10 years Now, from the begining in fact. So, if you'd like to ask him a question...
ROADMASTER - HURRICANE TUNING & PARTS : boitiers, chips Tuning, filtrations et iHurriflash
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wow, been a while since I was on the boards, looks like the great tuning debate has begun...will only be a matter of time before people start arguing over which remap/chip tuner is best !
As for BIG Performance in the UK I would agree he is not cheap but he can do what very few others can right now. I spoke to him recently about the USA 451 tuning and he seems quite keen to do only if there's sufficient demand for it over here.
Meanwhile I'm still planning to bring a roadster over early next year to hoon about in, just haven't got the funds to import it yet !
As for BIG Performance in the UK I would agree he is not cheap but he can do what very few others can right now. I spoke to him recently about the USA 451 tuning and he seems quite keen to do only if there's sufficient demand for it over here.
Meanwhile I'm still planning to bring a roadster over early next year to hoon about in, just haven't got the funds to import it yet !
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As an example we charge 397.00 for a off dyno tune and 500 for a dyno tune on the Corvettes and get between 20 to 30 hp increases.
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ECU
The Bosch ECU HAS to be opened at this time due to smart/Merc/Mitsu not wanting you to be able to READ/WRITE through the OBD port.
Alot of the modern vehicles are going this route.
I will post up some photos of the ECU when its open for you to have a look at.
Do you just "link" the photo from here to where it is saved?
Ian
The Bosch ECU HAS to be opened at this time due to smart/Merc/Mitsu not wanting you to be able to READ/WRITE through the OBD port.
Alot of the modern vehicles are going this route.
I will post up some photos of the ECU when its open for you to have a look at.
Do you just "link" the photo from here to where it is saved?
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You can upload the image to a hosting site like ImageShack® - Image Hosting and then copy the direct link, then click the small yellow icon with a picture of a mountain and a sun, paste the link there... or manually....
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smart 451 ECU photo
Here is the link to the ECU photo
Welcome to BIG Performance : Online Shop : smart 451 remaps : 451 remaps.
Hope it works
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Here is the link to the ECU photo
Welcome to BIG Performance : Online Shop : smart 451 remaps : 451 remaps.
Hope it works
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451 remaps
A thoroughly developed remap for the 1000cc smart 451. Initial remap will take power from 84bhp to approx 110bhp. Torque is increased by approx 25-30%. A second map is available to be used in conjunction with a performance air filter and exhaust. This takes the power up again to approx 125bhp
Product Code: 451
Price: £375
A thoroughly developed remap for the 1000cc smart 451. Initial remap will take power from 84bhp to approx 110bhp. Torque is increased by approx 25-30%. A second map is available to be used in conjunction with a performance air filter and exhaust. This takes the power up again to approx 125bhp
Product Code: 451
Price: £375
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Inmotion Usa offers remapping for $400 although they ran a Ebay tune offering for $369
eBay Motors: SMART CAR CHIP TUNING FORTWO FORFOUR FORMORE GAS DIESEL (item 370076157588 end time Aug-15-08 18:53:18 PDT)
eBay Motors: SMART CAR CHIP TUNING FORTWO FORFOUR FORMORE GAS DIESEL (item 370076157588 end time Aug-15-08 18:53:18 PDT)
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I'd want to know a lot more about their experience with smarts, warranty and customer feedback before I sent an ECU to an eBay shop.
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Starting bid: US $369.95
Buy It Now price: US $389.95
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Ended: Aug-15-08 18:53:18 PDT
Shipping costs:
US $2,000.00
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Service to United States
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Ships to: N. and S. America, Asia
Item location: West Coast, United States
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They have free shipping now.
eBay Motors: SMART CAR CHIP TUNING FORTWO FORFOUR FORMORE GAS DIESEL (item 250086898030 end time Sep-12-08 20:19:12 PDT)
I would not say a vendor is bad because of being on eBay.
There are plenty of bad vendors outside of eBay.
From their phone number 503-608-7717, they are in Portland.
It would be great if an Oregon member could stop by their shop to see what they are all about. :bouncies:
Their price is certainly more realistic, for a canned tune, than companies charging $700.
Since we know almost noting about either it's hard to decide which is better.
I would really like to see Before/After Dyno plots before sending my ECU to any vendor.
eBay Motors: SMART CAR CHIP TUNING FORTWO FORFOUR FORMORE GAS DIESEL (item 250086898030 end time Sep-12-08 20:19:12 PDT)
I would not say a vendor is bad because of being on eBay.
There are plenty of bad vendors outside of eBay.
From their phone number 503-608-7717, they are in Portland.
It would be great if an Oregon member could stop by their shop to see what they are all about. :bouncies:
Their price is certainly more realistic, for a canned tune, than companies charging $700.
Since we know almost noting about either it's hard to decide which is better.
I would really like to see Before/After Dyno plots before sending my ECU to any vendor.
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I would venture to say that they probably meant that the shipper should insure his ECU package for approx. $2,000.
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Very cool, but unfortunately we do not have the 84 hp (i-e: turbo) smarts here in the US.
Can't we bolt the turbo parts onto our engine?Very cool, but unfortunately we do not have the 84 hp (i-e: turbo) smarts here in the US.
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Its not JUST the 84 that I map, just that that is the MAIN seller.
Got another 71 to do on Thursday, will keep the dyno plots for you guys.
Got another 71 to do on Thursday, will keep the dyno plots for you guys.
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