Bummer

 

not sure it's 'real' issue for the US...

"The United States and other wealthy nations have less of a problem because they require modern diesel engines to burn much cleaner than they did even a decade ago. Most industries, like mining, already have limits on the amount of diesel fumes to which workers may be exposed."

Also, not data to suggest just being in the mine (dust, etc) doesn't also raise the risk; or, whether had those engines been gas, for instance, whether the risk would have been any different! So little science, so much extrapolation...

 

HMMM.

So, if I put my diesel vehicle in a garage, close the doors and let it run while I am sitting in it, I will die?

Ditto if I do this with a gasoline powered vehicle?

But, if I do it with an electric powered vehicle, nothing bad happens?

So, electric vehicles are "safer" than "explode-mobiles"?

 

So, electric vehicles are "safer" than "explode-mobiles"?

Unless it's a Volt... :wink:

 

Quote KRA. "So little science, so much extrapolation... "

That's what the smokers say too...

I'm sure WHO has their ducks well in order before taking on this one. A2Jack

 

"Allen Schaeffer, the forum’s executive director, said the studies considered by the W.H.O. “gave more weight to studies of exposure from technology from the 1950s, when there was no regulation.”

Typical...

 

We are all doomed and everything causes cancer.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

 

I'm waiting for the day they announce that sunscreen causes skin cancer. Oh the irony...

Disclaimer: I'm not saying it does and I use it regularly.

 

I can remember back when people said leisure suits caused cancer.....

 

Only certin colors.

 

Anyone recall the infamous Ford Pinto? Sets off like a Roman Candle on impact, and we make remarks about the Volt. Really now.

 

Anyone recall the infamous Ford Pinto? Sets off like a Roman Candle on impact, and we make remarks about the Volt. Really now.

Let's see if they can fix the Volt with a $.25 cent screw-cover...:wink:

 

 

If the study was actually valid, it would show a massively higher incidence of lung cancers in Europeans who live in smaller, more congested areas with a significanlty higher number of diesels in service throughout their history. The higher incidence of exposure and the very large numbers of diesel vehicles they have around in their daily lives, would have to show a huge cancer prevelence above the norm for the United States. Not so. Therefore a bit of B.S. is afoot. It's far more of a political than a health issue.

 

One of the study areas is the residential community around the Port Of Los Angeles. With hundreds of trucks moving in and out every day. the cancer rate has been rising dramatically.

But what will the politicians do ? They damn well won't demand even better, cleaner truck engines. Nor will they demand cleaner fuel from the oil company's (not with all that nasty, cheap Shale Oil coming in to our country).

What the Pol's will do, IMO, is put more restrictions on diesel cars and call it good. A2Jack

 

Just because diesel trucks are present in the area doesn't mean they are the cause of the rise in cancer. What are they carrying in the trucks, what else has changed in the area? All of these things have to be looked at. They have always been willing to stop at the first convenient thing they can blame it on and not persist to the real cause.
Huge volumes of military supplies are going through the area in addition to both incoming and outgoing commercial supplies. It could be anything or an odd combination of several things.
My father owned a diesel truck repair buisiness and he along with all of the employees had trucks running around them all day long. Of the nine people there, none have lung cancer so far, and they had massive exposure for roughly 30 plus years per man.
It is bad science so far and they need to keep looking for the cause.

 

Actually, regulations on cleaner diesel truck engines have been in force since 2004: Emission Standards: USA: Heavy-Duty Truck and Bus Engines

As a side note, JT Perryman made it clear there would be no diesel smarts coming to the USA when he spoke at Red Wing, MN.

 

Every big truck, train, ship, powered yacht, military vehicle, and everything except stupid consumer vehicles is powered by the most efficient, longest lasting, most economical to run diesel engines, for about 100 years, now.

Are we all so stupid as to see why we are being brainwashed by the WHO/UN propaganda machine....the same (*&)(@*%^ that brought you Global Warming and cost us all trillions, and CO2-is-poison which cost us more trillions?

Americans don't have diesel cars because they last too long, require little maintenance beyond simple oil changes and use much less fuel per mile than high-maintenance gas engines whos fuel is a solvent (diesel is a lubricant) that eats the engine from the first day it is started. Duhh...

 

If cancer, leukemia, heart disease, tumors are a concern, perhaps we should look towards JAPAN since 3/11/11. NOTHING in anyone's garage can comprare with a good dose of CS-134/137, PU-238/239, CO-60, SR-90 and the other nucleids spewing out of Fukushima-Daichi's 3 melted down reactors and massive spent fuel pools whos nuclear fires WHEN, not if, they leak in the destroyed buildings will render a good bit of the planet, including a good bit of the USA, uninhabitable for thousands of years.

Wiped off a pickup truck hood in St Louis NOV 17, 2011. Fukushima will not be "over" in your lifetime!

Diesel is of little consequence when you're breathing and eating Cesium 137 for the next 30 years!